+1 to costin's sentiment! I completely agree with everything he said. On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 18:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > +1 > > I would go even further and propose a top level project that will > host all project-management tools, including Gump. > > While gump doesn't have a very big community of developers ( I wish > I had more time), it is an essential tool for jakarta, and > I think 'it is the real thing'. > > There are many solutions for the same problem - and it seems > Centipede is based on Cocoon and XSLT, which would make it > my preference ( if I would need such a tool ). > I know other people dislike xslt - and I think it's fair to > have a choice. > > Having a single repository and top level project, with possible > common components ( while preserving the important choices > of each project ) is a good solution, and until this happen > I don't consider either of the 2 projects 'mature' enough. > > Costin > > On Wed, 1 May 2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > > ******************** > > WHY KRYSALIS > > ******************** > > > > From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > I've no problem with that if Ken is given committer access, the > > > community agrees and comes up with a plan to integrate the two and all. > > > I just figured it made more sense to have a project specifically for it > > > rather than a subproject of a subproject that has nothing to do with it > > > in general. > > > > This is why Centipede came up on Krysalis instead of Apache. > > > > I followed the discussion we had here on if/how to accept projects at > > Apache, and about why Jakarta is not Sourceforge. > > Krysalis came up with the goal of pursuing Apache-style projects out of > > Apache itself, till they mature to a level at which they can honestly > > propose themselves on this list. > > > > Personally, I have already tried to collaborate with Maven on the Alexandria > > list, even only at the descriptor level, and unfortunately have miserably > > failed (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=101713408000002&r=1&w=2) > > > > This is why Maven and Centipede have different descriptors. > > > > BTW, the Centipede module.xml descriptor is an enhanced Gump descriptor, and > > works OOTB with Gump itself. > > > > ********************** > > CENTAVEN? > > ********************** > > > > > But there has to be a sincere effort not just a "squash > > > centipede by saying yes to the proposal then -1ing the implemnetation". > > > I just want the "to". > > > > I just want a build system that gives you the possibilities of Centipede, > > which Maven still lacks. > > > > That said, I don't care where the project resides. My decision of putting it > > on Krysalis was taken to abide as much as possible to Jakarta standards, but > > it seems that stretching them to ones needs is more effective. > > > > > Personally I'd like to see the combined Centaven moved to a > > > jakarta.org/centaven level. If this effort is truely undertaken, POI > > > will upgrade to a combined centaven. (I don't care what its named its > > > the senitment).. . Then who wins? Well everyone. We get what we need. > > > > I'm +1000 for this, as I have always been. > > > > So, let me throw the stone. > > > > > > -oOo- > > > > > > Here is what I think is in the best intrest of ALL on Jakarta, let's see > > what the Jakarta Community thinks. > > > > *************************** > > PROPOSALS > > *************************** > > This multi-proposal is an effort to unite forces on the build-system front > > and to give a sense to all project build/documentation/site projects on > > xml.apache and Jakarta. > > > > > > JAKARTA-GUMP > > *********************** > > Alexandria started as a multi-project documentation system, and is now dead. > > Gump started there by using the Alexandria descriptors but has become a > > conyinuous-integration tool. > > > > I propose that it finally becomes a top-level Jakarta project, as it is now > > de-facto. > > > > The Vindico proposal will migrate to that project as well and will have the > > possibility to challenge the current de-facto Gump codebase with a vote as > > permitted by the Jakarta rules. > > > > > > JAKARTA-ALEXANDRIA > > ******************************* > > Alexandria still has an important mission, that of creating beautiful > > cross-referenced Java project documentation. > > Maven has taken part of the code-base AFAIK and is using it. > > Centipede is producing source-code cross reference with javasrc and > > umldoclet, and is working on creating SVG UML package charts. > > > > Alexandria can continue with its mission. > > Maven can port-back the code it uses. > > Javasrc developer Bill Smith has decided to DONATE the code to the > > Alexandria project and continue coding there > > (http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=1552505). > > Centipede will give all the code it has that generates documentation. > > > > CENTAVEN > > ******************* > > Maven and Centipede have similar goals but different approaches. > > > > I would like to see them united, and have a single project description > > system. > > > > We have the need, we have the community, we have the code. > > > > Centipede will never be able to make it into Maven and viceversa, because > > the approaches are very different. > > > > I think that these can be overcome, and that we can devide a comon system > > that solves *all* our _needs_. > > > > > > SUMMARY > > ******************* > > Here is my +1+1+1 for all three proposals. > > > > This is the best I can do, and what I think is in the best interest for > > Apache. > > > > What do you think? > > > > -- > > Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - verba volant, scripta manent - > > (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! 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