On 3/14/06, Simon Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was just considering proposing exactly this!
>
> The issues about groupings, subprojects, etc. are completely irrelevant
> it seems to me. A community is the set of people subscribed to emails
> about a particular project, no more and no less.
>
> Unfortunately the way email lists are currently run at apache forces a
> strict hierarchy onto community structure, and forces a choice between
> coarse-grained and fine-grained style communities (eg one commons list
> vs one-per-project). PMCs are structured hierarchically, and that is
> reasonable, but communities don't need to be this way.
>
> The perfect system, to me, would be a website that allows a user to
> register a username/email-address; the process would confirm that the
> user's email address is valid.
>
> A set of checkboxes would allow a user to "subscribe" to various lists,
> or to virtual groupings such as "jakarta commons" which would implicitly
> subscribe to the list for every project that is tagged as being a
> jakarta-commons project. Of course this implies fine-grained email lists
> (ie one for each project); the problems of partitioning the subscriber
> base too much is avoided by the existence of the groupings.
>
> This system would allow overlapping groups to occur; for example
> commons-digester can be filed under both "commons" and "xml" virtual
> groups; someone subscribing to *either* group would receive
> digester-related emails. It also allows projects to move from one PMC
> to another without destroying the existing community (which *is* the set
> of people receiving emails).
>
> Groups also allow new projects to be created and added to the group; all
> people subscribed to the group would then automatically get emails
> related to that new project.
>
> Any list which has less than 3 subscribers would automatically forward
> its emails to the PMC list (or similar) for purposes of oversight.
>
> Any person subscribed to 3 or more projects associated with "commons"
> would automatically be subscribed to the whole commons group (or maybe
> just sent a weekly nag email recommending they do so). That hopefully
> allows casual commons developers to get just postings for one or two
> projects, without destroying the useful commons-wide community that
> exists now.
>
> Having a single point for managing subscriptions would also help greatly
> with something that regularly frustrates me: suspending subscription
> when I'm away on holiday. Currently, I need to unsubscribe to
> half-a-dozen lists then resubscribe on return.
>
> This sort of functionality probably already exists in one of the
> open-source mailing list management packages; it isn't anything radical
> as far as I can see.


Perhaps a forum frontend would be even better for users, at least for
non-power-users.
For instance, from what Patrick Lightbody told me about OpenQA, they
have a system that is both a forum and a mailing list: any forum entry
gets posted to the list, and any mail posted to the list appears in
the forum (e.g. see the Selenium forum at
http://forums.openqa.org/forum.jspa?forumID=3).
I haven't used it myself yet, but I could ask him if there is interest
in the technical details.

cheers,
Tom

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