On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 15:29 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
> Board report done - now I can irritate you all on these threads again :)
> 
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, robert burrell donkin wrote:

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> >> - each component provides an extension to the JavaSE
> >> - code judged by would it be out of place in the JavaSE
> >
> > probably the wrong test: some of the stuff that's included is pretty
> > controversial and grows in scope all the time. i'm not sure that this is
> > really what a lot of the extra rubbish is wanted: eg logging, crypto,
> > sql, corba, swing.
> >
> > isn't it only really the lang, util, io and beans packages that are
> > really of interest?
> 
> +1. 'core of JavaSE' ?

better :)

nice'n'fuzzy

> >> - have mailing lists (language-user/language-dev)
> >
> > is there any need for a another user list?
> 
> Also, why cause users pain while we experiment. How about we do the -dev 
> list, and see how the -user list goes?
> 
> > given smaller mail volumes and the nature of the audience for these
> > components (java developers), i think it would be better to retain a
> > common user list but encourage posting by users to the dev list.
> >
> > the commons was more active when there was no user lists. i'd like to
> > propose we try that again for this new grouping. if a user list proves
> > necessary then it can easily be added later.
> 
> Ah. I thought you were suggesting that they would continue to use 
> commons-user. :)

both at once, really :)

any users who want to can use the commons-user list but not having a
user list will encourage more people to subscribe to dev. which is a
good thing.

> I'm +1 to commons-user. I'm only +1 to not havin a user list if we get the 
> commits/wiki/jira out of the user's face.

that'd be easy. might be better for oversight to have these posted to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] anyway.

> >> - not have a sandbox
> >
> > does that mean: use the jakarta sandbox if every needed?
> 
> Pretty sure it does.
> 
> >> - use [EMAIL PROTECTED] ML (new) for cross group issues
> >
> > general would feel better (to me) for discussing cross group issues but
> > maybe dev might be needed for votes later...
> 
> Yep. Re-word as:
> 
> - use Jakarta wide lists for cross group issues.
> 
> We can modify what those are if we think that general@ is overwhelmed by 
> Jakarta and we'd like it to be more pan-Apache Java or general-interest.

+1

start here with the probably that we'll move later

- robert


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