On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Yoav Shapira wrote:
I think the separation is valid. Jim put it nicely earlier today (paraphrased here): committership is the right to vote a code base, PMC membership is the right to oversee a project. In my mind there definitely is a separation, and the latter requires more trust. This
Committers don't get the right to vote a code base though. They might under some interpretations etc etc, but currently most of the ASF is going with PMC=binding vote, committer=non-binding. What is involved with the right to oversee a project beyond voting?
is especially true for projects whose committership is granted (at first maybe) on a partial basis, e.g. only to some directory trees within the project's SVN repository. So if I were to go just with that, I'd say -0 (if only because I don't have the energy and bandwidth to contribute alternative suggestions, so I don't want to -1 the issue).
*whistle while staring at feet* POI's the only part of Jakarta with partial committership now.
You mentioned that we're bad at remembering to add people to the PMC: agreed, but I don't think the solution to that is a policy-level one.
It's not the only reason though - and my solution equals zero work compared to the still required work of a script to spit out etc (Geir's done that already, though it might have been CVS days).
The above said, I think Jakarta is a different beast. Because it's an umbrella project, it has many disparate groups of people doing their own thing. In a nicer world, those smaller groups would be responsible for their oversight, so we'd have multiple smaller PMCs instead of one big Jakarta one. And I think that's where we're heading gradually, as we graduate projects, make them dormant, move them elsewhere, etc.
Was a different beast. Disjoint umbrellas are an endangered species now - umbrellas are good, but they need to be one community. A disjoint umbrella means that Martin ends up being the main communication line between subprojects; which'll burn him out.
That said - we are always going to have a lot of people not on the PMC. We have 400+ committers, and they're mostly inactive and I'd be surprised if even a small number wanted to be on the PMC. That's just a legacy bit that once we've invited them we can ignore.
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