Sorry, I hadn't listened to the entire discussion before I posted. Even more pertinent are the last 12 minutes where the effect of 'number words' in language indicates a greater potential for conceptually development of mathematics. The final thoughts in the last minute of the video indicate that it may be possible to unlock cognitive abilities by describing numbers in different ways. I would think that would suggest that learning an array language such as J would be a requirement for true programming expertise.
Cheers, bob On 2010-10-12, at 10:03 AM, bob therriault wrote: > This video discussion of the effect of language on thought, recently appeared > on 3 quarks daily, a philosophy science blog. > > http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/10/language-and-thought.html > > At about the 12 minute mark, differences in Russian and English speakers' > perception of the colour blue is noted, possibly due to the fact that Russian > has two words for blue and English has one. If language affects cognition at > this very low level of processing, it would suggest that higher levels such > as problem solving would be even more influenced by the ways ideas are > described. > > Cheers, bob > > On 2010-10-12, at 7:36 AM, Roger Hui wrote: > >> There is another presentation of the same idea in >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.htm?pagewanted=all >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Stephen Taylor <[email protected]> >> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:32 >> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - between J and >> natural language (example: English). >> To: General forum <[email protected]> >> >>> Linda >>> >>> I'd be interested to publish in *Vector* anything you write on >>> this topic. >>> >>> Don't know if this is helpful, but a while back we blogged about >>> a professor >>> at Stanford working close to this field >>> >>> http://vectoreditor.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-language-shapes- >>> thought.html >>> Cheers >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3 October 2010 10:14, linda falkoff >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks so much Roger and Brian - I plan to click on the links, >>> and hope to >>>> come back re the work on "software linguistics" Adin and I >>> were doing in >>>> the >>>> 80's and happily interacting with Ken and APL as well - I note >>> online that >>>> sl field has taken off (in a good sense) and there are likely >>> connections.> >>>> Also it may be interesting to take pics of the "Claim >>> Structure Grammars" I >>>> built for my computing / info. sci advisor Ted Glaser in >>> the 70's, >>>> because >>>> it would be very nice if it relates generally to J. I >>> want to carry forth >>>> with the "family" projects. Will be pleased to partner in studies, >>>> conversations ... >>>> >>>> You give a lot of clues .. very nice. >>>> >>>> LDMF. >>>> *Respectful Interfaces* . When googling use quotes! >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Roger Hui >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Welcome to the J Forums, Linda. >>>>> >>>>> As far as Ken's work, there isn't much explicitly written >>>>> on the subject. I know of the following items: >>>>> >>>>> - http://keiapl.org/anec/#algebra >>>>> from "Algebra: An Algorithmic Treatment", 1972. >>>>> >>>>> - He modeled the organization of the dictionary part >>>>> of "J Introduction and Dictionary" >>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/contents.htm >>>>> and before that "A Dictionary of APL", >>>>> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=36983.36984 >>>>> on the organization of an English dictionary, >>>>> in particular the American Heritage Dictionary of the >>>>> English Language. (Earlier versions were called >>>>> "A Dictionary of the APL Language" and "The ISI >>>>> [Iverson Software Inc.] Dictionary of J") >>>>> >>>>> - Of course, he uses noun/verb/adverb etc. >>>>> where more traditionally in this context the >>>>> terms array/function/operator are used. >>>>> This has been very helpful as for example most >>>>> every one gets "adverb" (run quickly, eat quickly, ...; >>>>> run quickly, run slowly, run directly, ...) whereas >>>>> "operator" tends to be confusing and mysterious. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: linda falkoff <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:43 >>>>> Subject: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - >>> between J and >>>>> natural language (example: English). >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes up front - >>>>>> >>>>>> and can you please share some links you like on the topic >>> of J >>>>>> and natural >>>>>> language, English or otherwise? >>>>>> Sorry, post is redundant with email subject line. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks, LDMF, *Respectful Interfaces*. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
