Hi Devon, If the topic of representing array thinking comes up, the last three posts on my blog express some fumbling about I've been doing in the last two weeks.
http://bobtherriault.wordpress.com/ Most recent is a screencast of a J 'training-wheels' environment that may be achievable with the new beta. Cheers, bob On 2010-10-12, at 11:50 AM, Devon McCormick wrote: > Here I'd been thinking about discussing the NY Times article cited by Roger > at tonight's NYCJUG, but it fell off the list. > > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:43 PM, bob therriault <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Sorry, I hadn't listened to the entire discussion before I posted. >> >> Even more pertinent are the last 12 minutes where the effect of 'number >> words' in language indicates a greater potential for conceptually >> development of mathematics. The final thoughts in the last minute of the >> video indicate that it may be possible to unlock cognitive abilities by >> describing numbers in different ways. I would think that would suggest that >> learning an array language such as J would be a requirement for true >> programming expertise. >> >> Cheers, bob >> >> On 2010-10-12, at 10:03 AM, bob therriault wrote: >> >>> This video discussion of the effect of language on thought, recently >> appeared on 3 quarks daily, a philosophy science blog. >>> >>> >> http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/10/language-and-thought.html >>> >>> At about the 12 minute mark, differences in Russian and English speakers' >> perception of the colour blue is noted, possibly due to the fact that >> Russian has two words for blue and English has one. If language affects >> cognition at this very low level of processing, it would suggest that higher >> levels such as problem solving would be even more influenced by the ways >> ideas are described. >>> >>> Cheers, bob >>> >>> On 2010-10-12, at 7:36 AM, Roger Hui wrote: >>> >>>> There is another presentation of the same idea in >>>> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.htm?pagewanted=all >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Stephen Taylor <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:32 >>>> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - between J >> and natural language (example: English). >>>> To: General forum <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> Linda >>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested to publish in *Vector* anything you write on >>>>> this topic. >>>>> >>>>> Don't know if this is helpful, but a while back we blogged about >>>>> a professor >>>>> at Stanford working close to this field >>>>> >>>>> http://vectoreditor.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-language-shapes- >>>>> thought.html >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3 October 2010 10:14, linda falkoff >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much Roger and Brian - I plan to click on the links, >>>>> and hope to >>>>>> come back re the work on "software linguistics" Adin and I >>>>> were doing in >>>>>> the >>>>>> 80's and happily interacting with Ken and APL as well - I note >>>>> online that >>>>>> sl field has taken off (in a good sense) and there are likely >>>>> connections.> >>>>>> Also it may be interesting to take pics of the "Claim >>>>> Structure Grammars" I >>>>>> built for my computing / info. sci advisor Ted Glaser in >>>>> the 70's, >>>>>> because >>>>>> it would be very nice if it relates generally to J. I >>>>> want to carry forth >>>>>> with the "family" projects. Will be pleased to partner in studies, >>>>>> conversations ... >>>>>> >>>>>> You give a lot of clues .. very nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> LDMF. >>>>>> *Respectful Interfaces* . When googling use quotes! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Roger Hui >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Welcome to the J Forums, Linda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as Ken's work, there isn't much explicitly written >>>>>>> on the subject. I know of the following items: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - http://keiapl.org/anec/#algebra >>>>>>> from "Algebra: An Algorithmic Treatment", 1972. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - He modeled the organization of the dictionary part >>>>>>> of "J Introduction and Dictionary" >>>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/contents.htm >>>>>>> and before that "A Dictionary of APL", >>>>>>> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=36983.36984 >>>>>>> on the organization of an English dictionary, >>>>>>> in particular the American Heritage Dictionary of the >>>>>>> English Language. (Earlier versions were called >>>>>>> "A Dictionary of the APL Language" and "The ISI >>>>>>> [Iverson Software Inc.] Dictionary of J") >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Of course, he uses noun/verb/adverb etc. >>>>>>> where more traditionally in this context the >>>>>>> terms array/function/operator are used. >>>>>>> This has been very helpful as for example most >>>>>>> every one gets "adverb" (run quickly, eat quickly, ...; >>>>>>> run quickly, run slowly, run directly, ...) whereas >>>>>>> "operator" tends to be confusing and mysterious. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: linda falkoff <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:43 >>>>>>> Subject: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - >>>>> between J and >>>>>>> natural language (example: English). >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes up front - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and can you please share some links you like on the topic >>>>> of J >>>>>>>> and natural >>>>>>>> language, English or otherwise? >>>>>>>> Sorry, post is redundant with email subject line. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks, LDMF, *Respectful Interfaces*. >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > > > -- > Devon McCormick, CFA > ^me^ at acm. > org is my > preferred e-mail > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
