Here I'd been thinking about discussing the NY Times article cited by Roger at tonight's NYCJUG, but it fell off the list.
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:43 PM, bob therriault <[email protected]>wrote: > Sorry, I hadn't listened to the entire discussion before I posted. > > Even more pertinent are the last 12 minutes where the effect of 'number > words' in language indicates a greater potential for conceptually > development of mathematics. The final thoughts in the last minute of the > video indicate that it may be possible to unlock cognitive abilities by > describing numbers in different ways. I would think that would suggest that > learning an array language such as J would be a requirement for true > programming expertise. > > Cheers, bob > > On 2010-10-12, at 10:03 AM, bob therriault wrote: > > > This video discussion of the effect of language on thought, recently > appeared on 3 quarks daily, a philosophy science blog. > > > > > http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/10/language-and-thought.html > > > > At about the 12 minute mark, differences in Russian and English speakers' > perception of the colour blue is noted, possibly due to the fact that > Russian has two words for blue and English has one. If language affects > cognition at this very low level of processing, it would suggest that higher > levels such as problem solving would be even more influenced by the ways > ideas are described. > > > > Cheers, bob > > > > On 2010-10-12, at 7:36 AM, Roger Hui wrote: > > > >> There is another presentation of the same idea in > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.htm?pagewanted=all > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Stephen Taylor <[email protected]> > >> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:32 > >> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - between J > and natural language (example: English). > >> To: General forum <[email protected]> > >> > >>> Linda > >>> > >>> I'd be interested to publish in *Vector* anything you write on > >>> this topic. > >>> > >>> Don't know if this is helpful, but a while back we blogged about > >>> a professor > >>> at Stanford working close to this field > >>> > >>> http://vectoreditor.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-language-shapes- > >>> thought.html > >>> Cheers > >>> Stephen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 3 October 2010 10:14, linda falkoff > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks so much Roger and Brian - I plan to click on the links, > >>> and hope to > >>>> come back re the work on "software linguistics" Adin and I > >>> were doing in > >>>> the > >>>> 80's and happily interacting with Ken and APL as well - I note > >>> online that > >>>> sl field has taken off (in a good sense) and there are likely > >>> connections.> > >>>> Also it may be interesting to take pics of the "Claim > >>> Structure Grammars" I > >>>> built for my computing / info. sci advisor Ted Glaser in > >>> the 70's, > >>>> because > >>>> it would be very nice if it relates generally to J. I > >>> want to carry forth > >>>> with the "family" projects. Will be pleased to partner in studies, > >>>> conversations ... > >>>> > >>>> You give a lot of clues .. very nice. > >>>> > >>>> LDMF. > >>>> *Respectful Interfaces* . When googling use quotes! > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Roger Hui > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Welcome to the J Forums, Linda. > >>>>> > >>>>> As far as Ken's work, there isn't much explicitly written > >>>>> on the subject. I know of the following items: > >>>>> > >>>>> - http://keiapl.org/anec/#algebra > >>>>> from "Algebra: An Algorithmic Treatment", 1972. > >>>>> > >>>>> - He modeled the organization of the dictionary part > >>>>> of "J Introduction and Dictionary" > >>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/contents.htm > >>>>> and before that "A Dictionary of APL", > >>>>> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=36983.36984 > >>>>> on the organization of an English dictionary, > >>>>> in particular the American Heritage Dictionary of the > >>>>> English Language. (Earlier versions were called > >>>>> "A Dictionary of the APL Language" and "The ISI > >>>>> [Iverson Software Inc.] Dictionary of J") > >>>>> > >>>>> - Of course, he uses noun/verb/adverb etc. > >>>>> where more traditionally in this context the > >>>>> terms array/function/operator are used. > >>>>> This has been very helpful as for example most > >>>>> every one gets "adverb" (run quickly, eat quickly, ...; > >>>>> run quickly, run slowly, run directly, ...) whereas > >>>>> "operator" tends to be confusing and mysterious. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: linda falkoff <[email protected]> > >>>>> Date: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:43 > >>>>> Subject: [Jgeneral] Looking for links - online or off - > >>> between J and > >>>>> natural language (example: English). > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Cc: [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>>> Best wishes up front - > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and can you please share some links you like on the topic > >>> of J > >>>>>> and natural > >>>>>> language, English or otherwise? > >>>>>> Sorry, post is redundant with email subject line. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Many thanks, LDMF, *Respectful Interfaces*. > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Devon McCormick, CFA ^me^ at acm. org is my preferred e-mail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
