Basically sounds ok. I was assuming user would create Welcome in _z_ (or _base_?) not _j_ , but I don't know if that's better, apart from a gut-feel that system classes ought to remain untouched.
Must Welcome be a noun, or can it be a verb instead? Might both be allowed (whence different names would be needed?) Don't fully grasp the need for ShowWelcome in base.cfg. The welcome msg can be disabled altogether by having startup.ijs set it to empty. What's gained from having the user set/check a cfg as well as startup.ijs -- which is effectively a user profile too? Are we catering here for an administrator who needs the power to deny facilities to the user? AFAICS the only reason for this facility is because startup.ijs gets executed "too early" in j701 and the architecture won't allow it to be executed any later. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Ric Sherlock <[email protected]> wrote: > I think startup.ijs could still do the job. How does this sound? > > * User creates custom Welcome_j_ in their startup.ijs. > * JFE creates Welcome_j_ (if it doesn't already exist) with its > default message) > * Welcome_j_ is "smoutput"ed to session if ShowWelcome (in base.cfg) > is set to 1. > > To get this to work across JFEs there needs to be some agreement that > it is desirable (or at least no disagreement that it is undesirable). > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >> Got it to work by adding 2 lines to the bottom of verb: main in: >> ~addons/ide/gtk/gtk.ijs >> >> main=: 3 : 0 >> main_init'' >> if. r=. conf_init'' do. main_quit r return. end. >> if. r=. conn_init'' do. main_quit r return. end. >> proj_init'' >> menu_init'' >> sview_init'' >> main_open'' >> main_run'' >> if. 3= 4!:0 <'welcome' do. welcome'' end. >> if. 0= 4!:0 <'WELCOME' do. smoutput WELCOME end. >> 0 >> ) >> >> Clearly this fix will only last until the next Pacman download. >> >> Unfortunately startup.ijs can't patch the target verb itself, because >> locale 'jgtkide' isn't yet loaded. The only locales present when >> startup.ijs is entered are: >> base ctag j jcompare jijs jregex jtask z >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> That's kinda what I guessed. Viz by modifying: main_init_jgtkide_ >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:02 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> gtkide will run jfe 1 during booting and only after that will smoutput >>>> redirect to Term. So that you need to put motd after that jfe. >>>> >>>> Пнд, 14 Фев 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): >>>>> smoutput in startup.ijs causes a message to appear in jconsole, >>>>> whether running JCON, JHS or JGTK. >>>>> (...which weakly satisfies your original request). >>>>> But I've only verified this for the Mac. >>>>> >>>>> bin/jgtk.command contains the text: >>>>> #!/bin/sh >>>>> "`dirname "$0"`/jconsole" gtkide >>>>> >>>>> so my guess is that by the time gtkide gets run, startup.ijs has >>>>> already been loaded and has had time to perform its definitions and >>>>> overrides. >>>>> So it would be up to the "gtkide" function (main_jgtkide_ ??) to look >>>>> for a welcome noun or verb. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Ric Sherlock <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Yes I was thinking along similar lines. >>>>> > >>>>> > Each of the JFEs could set an appropriate message in Welcome_j_. >>>>> > >>>>> > The Welcome_j_ non could be overwritten by the user's various >>>>> > startup.ijs scripts (unless this gets run before the JFE scripts - I >>>>> > need to check) >>>>> > >>>>> > Depending on the setting of ShowWelcome in ~config/base.cfg the >>>>> > Welcome_j_ noun gets displayed in the session (jconsole/Term/jijx >>>>> > window). >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> How about smoutputting the noun WELCOME if it is present, and not >>>>> >> otherwise? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Maybe also executing: welcome'' >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The user could define or override either of these words in startup.ijs >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Ric Sherlock <[email protected]> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>> I think it would be good to have a default "Welcome message" >>>>> >>> (especially for jconsole). >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It just needs to be something simple to let the user know they are in >>>>> >>> a Jconsole session and how to exit. IME there is nothing worse than >>>>> >>> knowing you are in some application, but not knowing what it is or how >>>>> >>> to get out of it! >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Obviously the Welcome message would be able to be turned off, for >>>>> >>> example using an option in ~config/base.cfg ( ShowWelcome=: 0 ) >>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>>> >> >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>>> > >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>> >>>> -- >>>> regards, >>>> ==================================================== >>>> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >>>> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
