Some products allow for a popup that can be turned off permanently by choosing an option. Otherwise you get a random tip about some feature in a popup each time you start the product. J could have something like that which could assist new users and telling about facilities in J. Experienced user could turn this features off and it should of course not interfere with applications and runtime applications.
Users might even get access to such a tool to tell about features in a popup for their users. 2011/2/15 chris burke <[email protected]> > Do we really need a startup message? My first reaction would be to turn it > off. > > Perhaps a better facility would be a verb that would be called after > gtkide was started. This could be defined in gtkide.cfg (default > empty), and could do anything, including output a welcome message. For > example, this would be suitable for a classroom configuration. > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Basically sounds ok. > > > > I was assuming user would create Welcome in _z_ (or _base_?) not _j_ , > > but I don't know if that's better, apart from a gut-feel that system > > classes ought to remain untouched. > > > > Must Welcome be a noun, or can it be a verb instead? Might both be > > allowed (whence different names would be needed?) > > > > Don't fully grasp the need for ShowWelcome in base.cfg. The welcome > > msg can be disabled altogether by having startup.ijs set it to empty. > > What's gained from having the user set/check a cfg as well as > > startup.ijs -- which is effectively a user profile too? Are we > > catering here for an administrator who needs the power to deny > > facilities to the user? AFAICS the only reason for this facility is > > because startup.ijs gets executed "too early" in j701 and the > > architecture won't allow it to be executed any later. > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Ric Sherlock <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think startup.ijs could still do the job. How does this sound? > >> > >> * User creates custom Welcome_j_ in their startup.ijs. > >> * JFE creates Welcome_j_ (if it doesn't already exist) with its > >> default message) > >> * Welcome_j_ is "smoutput"ed to session if ShowWelcome (in base.cfg) > >> is set to 1. > >> > >> To get this to work across JFEs there needs to be some agreement that > >> it is desirable (or at least no disagreement that it is undesirable). > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> Got it to work by adding 2 lines to the bottom of verb: main in: > >>> ~addons/ide/gtk/gtk.ijs > >>> > >>> main=: 3 : 0 > >>> main_init'' > >>> if. r=. conf_init'' do. main_quit r return. end. > >>> if. r=. conn_init'' do. main_quit r return. end. > >>> proj_init'' > >>> menu_init'' > >>> sview_init'' > >>> main_open'' > >>> main_run'' > >>> if. 3= 4!:0 <'welcome' do. welcome'' end. > >>> if. 0= 4!:0 <'WELCOME' do. smoutput WELCOME end. > >>> 0 > >>> ) > >>> > >>> Clearly this fix will only last until the next Pacman download. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately startup.ijs can't patch the target verb itself, because > >>> locale 'jgtkide' isn't yet loaded. The only locales present when > >>> startup.ijs is entered are: > >>> base ctag j jcompare jijs jregex jtask z > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> That's kinda what I guessed. Viz by modifying: main_init_jgtkide_ > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:02 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> gtkide will run jfe 1 during booting and only after that will > smoutput > >>>>> redirect to Term. So that you need to put motd after that jfe. > >>>>> > >>>>> Пнд, 14 Фев 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): > >>>>>> smoutput in startup.ijs causes a message to appear in jconsole, > >>>>>> whether running JCON, JHS or JGTK. > >>>>>> (...which weakly satisfies your original request). > >>>>>> But I've only verified this for the Mac. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> bin/jgtk.command contains the text: > >>>>>> #!/bin/sh > >>>>>> "`dirname "$0"`/jconsole" gtkide > >>>>>> > >>>>>> so my guess is that by the time gtkide gets run, startup.ijs has > >>>>>> already been loaded and has had time to perform its definitions and > >>>>>> overrides. > >>>>>> So it would be up to the "gtkide" function (main_jgtkide_ ??) to > look > >>>>>> for a welcome noun or verb. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Ric Sherlock <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> > Yes I was thinking along similar lines. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Each of the JFEs could set an appropriate message in Welcome_j_. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > The Welcome_j_ non could be overwritten by the user's various > >>>>>> > startup.ijs scripts (unless this gets run before the JFE scripts - > I > >>>>>> > need to check) > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Depending on the setting of ShowWelcome in ~config/base.cfg the > >>>>>> > Welcome_j_ noun gets displayed in the session (jconsole/Term/jijx > >>>>>> > window). > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> >> How about smoutputting the noun WELCOME if it is present, and not > otherwise? > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> Maybe also executing: welcome'' > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> The user could define or override either of these words in > startup.ijs > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Ric Sherlock <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> >>> I think it would be good to have a default "Welcome message" > >>>>>> >>> (especially for jconsole). > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> It just needs to be something simple to let the user know they > are in > >>>>>> >>> a Jconsole session and how to exit. IME there is nothing worse > than > >>>>>> >>> knowing you are in some application, but not knowing what it is > or how > >>>>>> >>> to get out of it! > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>> Obviously the Welcome message would be able to be turned off, > for > >>>>>> >>> example using an option in ~config/base.cfg ( ShowWelcome=: 0 ) > >>>>>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> >>> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>>>>> >>> > >>>>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> >> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> ==================================================== > >>>>> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > >>>>> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >>>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur Fornustekkum II 781 Hornafirði, t-póst: [email protected] gsm: +3546985532 sími: +3544781286 http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum /|_ .-----------------------------------. ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | ( -. | `-----------------------------------' | ) | (\_ _/) (`-. 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