--- Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 February 2003 07:39 pm, Net Llama! wrote:
> > --- Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [ snips ]
> 
> > > Our constitution provides everyone the right to state a contrary 
> > > opinion on that, too.
> >
> > Indeed it does, however you haven't all that great of track record
> as of
> > late in backing up that claim.
> >
> 
> I can't think when I have ever denied anyone their right to an
> opinion.  I 
> just don't have to agree with every  opinion that comes along. 

There's a significant difference between disagreeing and disaparaging. 
Thus far you've stated that opinions that differed from your own were
'nonsensical' and represented a 'socialist agenda'.

> > > that many of the core constituents of the anti-war rallies are the
> usual
> > > socialist sympathizers who hate private ownership of property in
> general
> >> and any 
> 
> > what kind of utter BS is that?  Surely you can do better than
> calling
> > peace activists socialists or commies?  And i'll also question your
> > claim of "most of" which has no statistical basis whatsoever.
> 
> Unfortunately, you didn't read that statement very well.  Many is
> certainly 
> not the same as most.  I can't speak for the demonstrations abroad,

many, most, it really is irrelevant, because you don't have any
statistical basis for your claims, or do you?

> but some 
> of the peace rallies here are indeed verifiably backed by professional

that's a fallacy.

> organizations (many of whom are indeed socialist) that carefully

i also fail to see what is wrong with socialism.  or do you feel that
branding someone as such is considered to be an insult?

> coach, fund, 
> and organize more than just peace rallies.  I've listened to
> interviews of 
> some of these people, and heard a complete presentation on the
> instructions 
> given to the cadre of members who circulate from town to town to
> demonstrate   
> Some of the demonstrators, but not all, genuinely believe in peace;
> others 
> are hard core pacifists who, for example, would have left Great
> Britain to 
> rot rather than coming to their aid in WWII (an example, the poet
> organizer 
> of the anti-war poetry that is currently being collected.)

references please.

> > > My sister-in-law is one of those people who came to internet
> surfing
> > > (Windows based, of course) late in life and who forwards to me
> > > immeasurable amounts of drivel along with a few pearls of wisdom /
> 
> > > good jokes like this one.
> >
> > So far all i've seen is immeasurable amounts of warmongaring,
> > xenophobic, jingoistic drivel.  due let us know when you've got
> > something based in fact & reality.
> 
> Eventually, anyone who supports our government and the choices of its
> leaders 
> is labeled a warmonger, and anyone who gives more credance to American
> 
> interests than international interests is a jingoist.  I don't know
> where 
> xenophobic comes in, but it's good to toss around, too.  Dislike for
> the 
> political choices of a nation has nothing to do with xenophobia.  I
> can like 
> the food, poetry, novels, language, humor, etc. of France, Russia,
> Germany, 
> Israel, China, Korea, and I've spent a lifetime studying some of the 
> languages, but I certainly don't have to consider their political
> opinions to 
> reflect fact and reality.
> 
> Interesting how it is, Lonni, that your opinions are based in fact and
> 
> reality, but any other opinions are just warmongaring, etc.  That's
> what all 
> of this is:  just opinion.  
> 
> Are you so incredibly naive as to believe that the slogans of the
> peace 
> activists are fact and reality instead of just opinion?  You have the
> right 
> to your opinion, they have the right to their opinion, but I don't
> need to 
> consider their opinions as fact and reality.

No, i accept that others are allowed to have opinions that differ from
my own, assuming that their opinons have a basis in fact.  Attempts to
brand people as socialists is nothing more than a twist on Macarthyism.

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