On Monday 04 May 2009 23:47:08 George Prowse wrote: > Thomas Sachau wrote: > > Mario Fetka schrieb: > >> On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote: > >>> Peter Faraday Weller wrote: > >>>> Hi.... > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> welp > >>> > >>> Sad to hear it mate. > >>> > >>> As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you > >>> will be missed. > >>> > >>> I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things > >>> because i've got the distinct impression from others that Gentoo has > >>> been improving in the past 12 months. > >>> > >>> About the lack of the developers, something I proposed about 3 years > >>> ago might be applicable: has Gentoo ever thought about doing a "Dev > >>> Day" in much the same way as the "Bug Days"? Advertise a day where > >>> people can come and have a chat with developers and get coached because > >>> there is a vast amount of people and knowledge out there and I never > >>> see anything about Gentoo wanting people. > >>> > >>> If you book them, they will come. > >>> > >>> G > >> > >> and I would be the first to come > >> > >> Mario > > > > For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with > > ebuilds, there is already an option: > > > > Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the > > documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay (with the > > #gentoo-sunrise IRC channel) is open for everyone willing to learn and > > contribute to it. Even normal users can get access, learn how to create > > ebuilds, how to improve them and how to maintain them. > > As a starting point, this is a central overlay, where ebuilds are > > maintained, that dont get a developer as maintainer because of missing > > manpower. Additionally, all contributors learn the ebuild development > > work themselves. > > > > And if you are willing to learn and do continuously good work, there is a > > good chance that you may level up to a developer yourself someday. You > > want an example? This was my way to become a full Gentoo developer. ;-) > > > > So at least for ebuild maintainence, there are good starting points > > (probably other projects also have training grounds like the java or kde > > herds), the bigger problem may be the communication between potential new > > developers and the current developer base and our options to become a new > > developer. > > I think you are missing the point. If you sit and wait for them to join > you will always be understaffed. > > Go on a big dev drive! Announce it all over all the Gentoo's normal > communication channels and other generic linux places! Email some linux > magazines, talk to distrowatch, message some large LUGs. Get people > talking about it. Whatever happens, dont just sit on your hands. Tell > the users that Gentoo needs them and that they can make a difference! > > If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly > with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk > people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer then the > influx could create a new backbone of new developers who will hopefully > be here for years to come. All those things are PR related. Unfortunately Gentoo does not have any PR activity ( ok we have some via Gentoo Planet/Universe ) . We used to have GMN but that died a long time ago. Establishing a proper and active PR team is something that we should consider as a high priority as well :/ -- Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise] Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org
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