El mar, 05-05-2009 a las 18:28 +0100, George Prowse escribió:
> Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > George Prowse schrieb:
> >> Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >>> For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with
> >>> ebuilds, there is already an option:
> >>>
> >>> Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the
> >>> documentation from the topic. The
> >>> Sunrise Overlay (with the #gentoo-sunrise IRC channel) is open for
> >>> everyone willing to learn and
> >>> contribute to it. Even normal users can get access, learn how to
> >>> create ebuilds, how to improve them
> >>> and how to maintain them.
> >>> As a starting point, this is a central overlay, where ebuilds are
> >>> maintained, that dont get a
> >>> developer as maintainer because of missing manpower. Additionally, all
> >>> contributors learn the ebuild
> >>> development work themselves.
> >>>
> >>> And if you are willing to learn and do continuously good work, there
> >>> is a good chance that you may
> >>> level up to a developer yourself someday. You want an example? This
> >>> was my way to become a full
> >>> Gentoo developer. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> So at least for ebuild maintainence, there are good starting points
> >>> (probably other projects also
> >>> have training grounds like the java or kde herds), the bigger problem
> >>> may be the communication
> >>> between potential new developers and the current developer base and
> >>> our options to become a new
> >>> developer.
> >>>
> >> I think you are missing the point. If you sit and wait for them to join
> >> you will always be understaffed.
> >>
> >> Go on a big dev drive! Announce it all over all the Gentoo's normal
> >> communication channels and other generic linux places! Email some linux
> >> magazines, talk to distrowatch, message some large LUGs. Get people
> >> talking about it. Whatever happens, dont just sit on your hands. Tell
> >> the users that Gentoo needs them and that they can make a difference!
> >>
> >> If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly
> >> with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk
> >> people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer then the
> >> influx could create a new backbone of new developers who will hopefully
> >> be here for years to come.
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > Such a campaign would need quite some time and i dont have this free time. 
> > So if anyone is willing
> > to do the needed work, i can try to help a bit, but cannot take the work 
> > and time myself.
> > 
> > The only thing i can do and currently do whenever possible is pointing 
> > people to the sunrise project
> > and helping them there. And thats what i did with my mail.
> > 
> I also fear that any sustained campaign would be bogged down in Gentoo's 
> red tape.

I feel it's necessary to clear that it's not mandatory to be a full time
developer to help improve Gentoo. Many users want to help but they don't
feel ready for such a compromise. Then there is Sunrise, and the
overlays from the herds, where the prospective users can learn first and
take the following step when they feel they're ready. I think there are
at least 2 recent new developers who made it this way.

There are several (much?) understaffed projects in Gentoo, the
developers who are responsible of this areas could take some time to
write a guide for users on how to help, with steps to commit patches to
the overlays, wishes and needs... and then publish it in the project web

Also, there could be a page similar to the 'staffing-needs' one, but
listing links to the 'Help Us' pages of the projects.

Just my 2c...

And sorry for any spell/grammar error...

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