On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 09:57:01AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 27/05/14 08:34, Michał Górny wrote: > > Dnia 2014-05-26, o godz. 23:15:34 > > Samuli Suominen <ssuomi...@gentoo.org> napisał(a): > > > >> UPower upstream removed sys-power/pm-utils support from 0.99 release > >> (currently unkeyworded in tree), as in, from current git master. > > Don't worry. Looking at the past, I can guess this is only a temporary > > inconvenience. I'm pretty sure upower will be discontinued soon > > and replaced with systemd-powerd or something :D. > > > > That's more or less what they already did, they forced eg. > xfce4-power-manager upstream > to move the deleted pm-utils code from upower directly to the power > manager (application) > itself, likewise for xfce4-session > Which means applications will now need to duplicate the pm-utils related > code per application > basis > So I expect upower to be more or less dead for everything but systemd > users, except for > those upstreams that will actually follow the Xfce path and do the > duplication > Yet, still, small portition of the code is still 'generic', so > xfce4-power-manager will still need > both, upower, even 0.99, and then pm-utils, depending on the version, > codepath is selected > > This was sort of expected, since pm-utils has been abandoned for ~5 > years now at upstream, > so nobody is maintaining non-systemd related power management tools > anymore, and > falling back to eg. manual laptop-mode-tools, acpid, etc. usage will be > necessary again, > it's like going back to 90s for non-systemd users :P
I can't believe I'm reading that from a distro-developer. Basically this entire thread is "systemd is deprecating the existing tools, so let's dump them and half our userbase back to the 90s, isn't that a great thing?" I speak now only so that we don't get told a year later "you had your chance, too late now." So in that light, what packages besides current pm-utils, do people who don't use systemd, need to keep running after the putsch? Do any of them go away as requirements if we don't use *kit? Eg if we don't use udisks and upower already, but do use udev or eudev (likely what we'll switch to given current state of play.) Especially if we don't want to reduplicate a lib across several apps, as you outlined above; somehow it smells. Hope your operation went well, steveL. -- #friendly-coders -- We're friendly, but we're not /that/ friendly ;-)
