On 12/09/2016 03:58 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
On Friday, December 9, 2016 3:24:44 PM EST james wrote:
On 12/08/2016 02:15 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Even if I'm repeating myself... Please keep the mailing lists on topic.
Problems caused by gentoo developer behaviors, are "on topic" for this
list. Your position only serves to obfuscate remedies.
Be careful, let what happened to me on -project stand as a warning. Short of
this reply I am mostly radio silent, no posts, no bugs, no irc, nada... I was
encouraged for such. Most do not care about the big picture, just their neck
of the woods. Your posts make mine seem abridged :)
Hey very cool advise. But I'm an old maverick. Hell I was 86'd from
gentoo user at least once, probably twice for offering to pay devs to
create ebuilds, that my small company could use and would be freely
available to all. Somehow google does the same thing, except it's a
regular paycheck and that is OK. I ask to do it and get banished for a
while. Fiefdom.
A few select comments, as most rather not hear from me entirely. I will focus
on technical ones.
Technologies
like Java, could easily be supported should they choose to allow
non-sources into the ebuild process, for their gentoo-forked-distro.
This is already taking place in Gentoo. There is not the man power, time, or
experience for larger Java applications to be packaged. They are going into
tree as binaries. Most without even unbundling deps that are packaged in tree.
Yep. Apache Spark is one of my java complaints (I mean bugs) BGO-523412.
There is a purported version of Apache spark, written in Python; "dpark"
I believe is the name, not sure it's still active.
But I'm not allowed to pass out beer money, or a weekend in Vegas money
for things that benefit the gentoo community, or so I'm told
Apache-Spark the blocker and is a really cool package that can be added
to Apache-Mesos, for cluster acceleration. But Apache Mesos is a
competitor to other favored cluster codes at Gentoo. Fiefdom?
This enables (by active promotion) any individual, corporation or
business to benefit from a deployment of gentoo or a customized version
of gentoo, just like a privileged few corporations have benefited
(google, CoreOS etc). Without many companies at least testing and some
using gentoo, Gentoo is mostly a fiefdom of certain companies. This is
evidenced by the history of devs that work at these companies and have
been or currently are gentoo devs. It's back-channel control, evidenced
by irc and other venues where only certain folks can listen.
This is the down side of letting everyone work on something that pertains to
them. Without any sort of over all leadership, a common goal or direction from
the Council. I am not sure Gentoo has had such leadership since the Chief
Architect position was eliminated.
It is one thing for a developer to work in an area, scratch their itch. But as
companies hire developers. Those companies can start to take things in their
own direction. Largely this has not been a problem, but it lets outside
companies indirectly control the direction of Gentoo. If a conflict between
companies arises, it could get interesting. Thankfully not an issue and may
never become one.
I have no problem with this. I have a large problem with gentoo distro
management, effectively via policies, constraining commerce. Sorry, I'm
not one to snitch, however when the ICEMAN comes calling, I am going to
laugh out loud and share the pain with others. It's been a long time
coming. definitely Fiefdom.
WHY (3):: Update the exam every (2) years and require all devs take the
exam to re-qualify.
Interesting comment as someone who has done the quizzes several times. Most
developers do them once and never again. I wonder how many would pass a quiz
if they were retested....
Are you espousing principals of truth, equity and otherwise, "do unto
other as you'd have them do unto you"? I believe that's how Pense
rolls, from what I read but some lawyer buddies from Ohio say he is the
ICEMAN.
Also something many here are likely not aware. To become a Gentoo Java
Developer, there are 3 quizzes. There is a 3rd Gentoo Java Quiz. I am not
aware of any other quizzes for other parts of the tree. Which in part goes to
show some of the complexities with Java.
Been down that path. The exam was not ready a few years ago. I've moved
on. But I'm just a java hack because the way things are done, it's just
a voluminous source of ever changing codes and new patches that requires
a full time attention to be effective. By the time I hack something
java, it the old unsupported way to do things. I'm fine with using
canned modules and binaries, I just think gentoo ought offer a secure
sandbox, VM, container or whatever for java. I do understand the
concerns so it is frustrating and I just do not have the time to become
a java whiz, unless writing your own rxtx counts? I built a serial data
analyzer that sniffs the physical serial interface too, just for
grins...... actually for a customer.
Though it may be beneficial if others come up with their own quizzes, which
could be small. There are some nuances to packaging other languages. Not sure
if as many as Java to require another quiz, but may help for others joining
teams for other languages.
I'd be happy if they'd say, read this book or take this only class or
whatever, along with buiding a few ebuilds from scratch, ebuilds centric
to that project group. So mini quizzes on Ruby, Perl, Go etc are
warranted, gentoo specific. Me, when I hack things I'm weak at, it is
usually not a problem after 8 and 16 bit assembler for embedded things,
there's not much fear, just codes that do not work.... So then, I just
email the builds to a dev that knows those languages, and things are
usually fixed quickly. Formal teaming efforts are frowned upon,
as you know, unless you are in the clique(s) or proxided. Alan McKinnon
is a java dude, I think, and very cool, so you should recruit him, or
find java projects he might like or at least proxy maintain.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Java/Developer_Quiz
I'll look it over, but no promises.......
James
