On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:15, Doug Gorley wrote: > On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 00:38, Matthew Tedder wrote: > > On Thursday 13 February 2003 00:17, Doug Gorley wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 23:25, Matthew Tedder wrote: > > > > I have downloaded and attempted stage5 downloaded from ibiblio and > > > > one other mirror--only to find that one of them doens't provide > > > > /bin/sh, clear, and other commands.... and the other did include > > > > those but lacked the "make" command. So I used the stage1, which was > > > > included on the ISO download and it eventually lacked soem critical > > > > parts.. > > > > > > I'd never heard of it before, but I thought I'd look on the off chance > > > that there'd been some cataclysmic change in the way Gentoo is > > > distributed. Where exactly did you find a stage5 file? > > > > These two sources: > > > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc2/x8 > >6/i586/stage3-i586-1.4_rc2.tbz2 > > > > ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc2/x86/i586/stages > >/stage3-i586-1.4_rc2.tbz2 > > Those are stage3 tarballs, not stage5.
Yes...yes... for some reason the number 5 keeps popping up when I mean to type 3. > > > > > WTF is going on? IS THERE A COMPLETE WORKING VERSION OF ANY OF THE > > > > STAGES FOR INSTALLING GENTOO 1.4 RC2!?@$!$ > > > > > > I've used the athlon-xp stage3 file, as well as the x86 stage1 file. > > > They both work just fine. > > > > > > > I have spend NUMEROUS hours over the last few weeks--including about > > > > six hours today only to be disappointed. > > > > > > Did you follow the installation instructions on the Gentoo site? They > > > really work quite well. And, if you get stuck on the installation > > > process, you can post a question here. This list is amazingly good at > > > helping people with specific problems. With vague, inflammatory > > > complaints... not so good. > > > > This is pretty specific.. Bash not included, make, not included... > > What's up? And why does the ISO not include anything but stage1 and no > > GRP package as specified in the instructions? The instructions were > > great and worked well for the RC1 version, except that Grub was not > > working for ReiserFS and the kernel kept rebooting.. > > Specific, but the point is it's not correct. As shown in another reply > to your last message, those files are clearly there. It's usually a > good bet that when you find a system as widely used as Gentoo, and you Widely used, but these are early release candidates and they are split up into a variety of different branches.. How well tested, therefore, is each particular combination? Even though Gentoo is widely used... Linux is widely used with mass peer review yet we find constant new bugs and broken apps being shipped out with various distrobutions. The development-pace is the reason. Yes, it gets fixed fast--but new problems constantly arise because the software is constantly added onto. > *think* you've a problem like "bash not included", think again -- %99.99 > of the time, it's you, not the software. After extracting these tar balls, it is not located in ANY of the /bin or /sbin directories anywhere in the system. If they are in there, then why do they not extract with everything else? Obviously they are definitely not there. What's odd is the fact that different things were missing from each package downloaded from each different source of the same named tar ball. > > > > > And why on earth is this being called a Release Candidate (or does > > > > RC2 mean something else?). > > > > > > This is indeed Release Candidate 2. That means it's the second > > > candidate to be the final release of Gentoo 1.4. > > > > With problems as brazen as this not having been worked out--it should be > > considered alpha. Perhaps these are just QC issues and somewhere someone > > actually does have properly build stage1, 2, and 3 packages for i586. > > As I said, it's not the software. bash is there. make is there. They > work. No... it really truelly isn't. This is not a difficult thing to determine.. It's flat not there. I've been working with UNIX systems as a programmer and part-time administrator for the last seven years. Somehow these particular packages from these particular mirrors are not complete. It looks to me as errors on the part of the person putting together the tar balls...and it got copied to the mirrors prematurely at a couple of different stages. I downloaded another ISO over last night hoping that this mirror's version of i586 would include all of the stages and the GRP stuff. I can only cross my fingers. > > > > > Please don't make switch to Lycoris for the product we're working on > > > > here.. > > > > > > > > Is there some ISO image that already has more than the stage1--at > > > > least the GRP stuff mentioned in the installation instructions? I > > > > was surprised to find stage packages with DIFFERENT contents in the > > > > tbz2 files with the SAME names. > > > > > > That would be all the ISOs, I think. Really, what ISO did you > > > download? Grab the one for your architecture, it should have a stage1, > > > stage2 and stage3 tarball on the CD. Or grab any CD, and wget the > > > tarball at install time. Very simple. > > > > I grabbed it twice... My architecture is the VIA Eden ESP, so I grabbed > > it for i586. I first considered raw x86 earlier but there was nothing > > but stage1 available. > > > > The ISO only contains a stage1 package, so I downloaded the stage3. > > > > > > This seems VERY unorganized.. > > > > > > I found Gentoo to be exceptionally well organized - the documentation > > > was easy to find, the system tools (portage, rc scripts, etc.) all work > > > very well, and the mailing list does a great job of filling in the > > > blanks. Exactly what more is it you're looking for? > > > > Originally, I was impressed by the documentation and portage--but I have > > yet to see a working installation. I cannot even compile the kernel > > without these basic tools missing the packages.. > > Well, hopefully you can get it worked out, and you'll probably learn > something in the process! -- Matthew C. Tedder SimpFlex Technologies, Inc. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
