folks CERN is like a de facto Manhattan Project for nuclear research except now without a policy to destroy as the Manhatten Project was (we dont need that project mentioned again as it rekindles nastiness but teh best minds were collected with a policy to achieve destruction ... and they succeeded)
A climate/general eco based global effort similar to CERN would be a great leap forward CERN is respected ... with current climate scepticism and conspiracy theories abounding, Climate knowledge needs to be put on a MUCH better footing Is that direction achievable??? G /// On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:27 AM, William Fulkerson <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear John: > You know that I agree fully with your concerns about the loss of Arctic > summer sea ice, but I can’t sign your letter. > I am tired of calls for a new Manhattan Project. The Arctic does not > require it. What is required is a fully funded RD&D effort (multilateral if > possible) to understand better the importance of the consequences from > loosing summer sea ice and of applying solar radiation management techniques > to arrest it. The RD&D should be carried out under the rules suggested at > the Asilomar Conference. > > We need to give John Holdren a well thought out proposal. As far as I know > no such proposal has been written by anyone except by Ehsan Khan of DOE > early in the decade, and the draft report was finally released last year . > > The America’s Climate Choices report of the NAS has not yet been released. > I know, however, that geoengineering was covered in the science part of the > reports and in the mitigation part, I believe, but I haven’t seen them yet. > I attended the geoengineering workshop that was part of this study. > With best regards, > Bill > > > > > On 7/11/10 1:38 AM, "John Nissen" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In view of the situation in the Arctic, I would be grateful for support for > an open letter to John Holdren, along the following lines. Please let me > know whether you agree with this text and whether you'd be happy for me to > add your name at the bottom. > > Cheers, > > John > > --- > > To John P Holdren, the Director of the Office of Science and Technology > Policy > > Dear Dr Holdren, > > The Arctic sea ice acts as a giant mirror to reflect sunlight back into > space and cool the Earth. The sea ice has been retreating far faster than > the IPCC predicted only three years ago [1]. But, after the record retreat > in September 2007, many scientists revised their predictions for the date of > a seasonally ice free Arctic Ocean from beyond the end of century to beyond > 2030. Only a few scientists predicted this event for the coming decade, and > they were ridiculed. > > In 2008 and 2009 there was only a slight recovery in end-summer sea ice > extent, and it appears that the minimum 2010 extent will be close to a new > record [2]. However the evidence from PIOMAS is that there has been a very > sharp decline in volume [3], which is very worrying. > > The Arctic warming is now accelerating, and we can expect permafrost to > release large quantities of methane, from as early as 2011 onwards, which > will lead inexorably to runaway greenhouse warming and abrupt climate > change. All this could become apparent if the sea ice retreats further than > ever before this summer. We could be approaching a point of no return > unless emergency action is taken. > > We suggest that the current situation should be treated as a warning for us > all. The world community must rethink its attitude to fighting global > warming by cutting greenhouse gas emissions sharply. However, even if > emissions could be cut to zero, the existing CO2 in the atmosphere would > continue to warm the planet for many decades. Geoengineering now appears > the only means to cool the Arctic quickly enough. A geoengineering project > of the intensity of the Manhattan Project is urgently needed to guard > against a global catastrophe. > > Yours sincerely, > > John Nissen > > [Other names to be added here.] > > [1] Stroeve et al, May 2007 > http://www.smithpa.demon.co.uk/GRL%20Arctic%20Ice.pdf > > [2] > http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png > > [3] http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100608_Figure5.png > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<geoengineering%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > -- GUY LAKEMAN Guy's Central Headquarters GCHQ Thinktrank TVIT.ORG/ASM "face piles and piles of trials with smiles it riles them to believe that i percieve the web they weave" "wanting is the product of envy and jealousy and they lead to greed and greed is the shadow of the dark side" "NEVER TRY ... 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