since the industrial revolution 200 years ago bringing all that carbon that was locked away by nature a long time ago has caused a load of eco problems to our existence ...
/// On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Guy Lakeman <[email protected]> wrote: > CERN is a HQ of dedicated thought for knowledge with MANY academic > participants due to teh huge data availability > > same is required for global geo climate, from what i understand moreso > > my studies in astrophysics seem to pale into insignificance when it comes > to down to earth problems (pun or no pun intended) > > the localised chaos theory associated with the life balance of this planet > are immense > > //// > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Guy Lakeman <[email protected]>wrote: > >> agreed! >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:44 AM, John Latham < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think Bill is absolutely right. I too agree with John N's concerns, but >>> the next step should be - I believe - an adequately funded R&D effort to >>> examine thoroughly those few SRM ideas that have some prospect of being >>> affordable and quantitatively adequate, if deployed. It seems to me quite >>> likely that two such techniques acting in concert could prove to be >>> significantly more powerful and flexible than one acting alone.. >>> >>> All best, John (L). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting William Fulkerson <[email protected]>: >>> >>> > Dear John: >>> > You know that I agree fully with your concerns about the loss of Arctic >>> > summer sea ice, but I can¹t sign your letter. >>> > I am tired of calls for a new Manhattan Project. The Arctic does not >>> > require it. What is required is a fully funded RD&D effort >>> (multilateral if >>> > possible) to understand better the importance of the consequences from >>> > loosing summer sea ice and of applying solar radiation management >>> techniques >>> > to arrest it. The RD&D should be carried out under the rules suggested >>> at >>> > the Asilomar Conference. >>> > >>> > We need to give John Holdren a well thought out proposal. As far as I >>> know >>> > no such proposal has been written by anyone except by Ehsan Khan of DOE >>> > early in the decade, and the draft report was finally released last >>> year . >>> > >>> > The America¹s Climate Choices report of the NAS has not yet been >>> released. >>> > I know, however, that geoengineering was covered in the science part of >>> the >>> > reports and in the mitigation part, I believe, but I haven¹t seen them >>> yet. >>> > I attended the geoengineering workshop that was part of this study. >>> > With best regards, >>> > Bill >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 7/11/10 1:38 AM, "John Nissen" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> In view of the situation in the Arctic, I would be grateful for >>> >> support for an >>> >> open letter to John Holdren, along the following lines. Please let me >>> know >>> >> whether you agree with this text and whether you'd be happy for me >>> >> to add your >>> >> name at the bottom. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> >>> >> John >>> >> >>> >> --- >>> >> >>> >> To John P Holdren, the Director of the Office of Science and >>> >> Technology Policy >>> >> >>> >> Dear Dr Holdren, >>> >> >>> >> The Arctic sea ice acts as a giant mirror to reflect sunlight back >>> >> into space >>> >> and cool the Earth. The sea ice has been retreating far faster than >>> the IPCC >>> >> predicted only three years ago [1]. But, after the record retreat in >>> >> September >>> >> 2007, many scientists revised their predictions for the date of a >>> seasonally >>> >> ice free Arctic Ocean from beyond the end of century to beyond 2030. >>> Only a >>> >> few scientists predicted this event for the coming decade, and they >>> were >>> >> ridiculed. >>> >> >>> >> In 2008 and 2009 there was only a slight recovery in end-summer sea >>> ice >>> >> extent, and it appears that the minimum 2010 extent will be close to a >>> new >>> >> record [2]. However the evidence from PIOMAS is that there has been a >>> very >>> >> sharp decline in volume [3], which is very worrying. >>> >> >>> >> The Arctic warming is now accelerating, and we can expect permafrost >>> to >>> >> release large quantities of methane, from as early as 2011 onwards, >>> >> which will >>> >> lead inexorably to runaway greenhouse warming and abrupt climate >>> >> change. All >>> >> this could become apparent if the sea ice retreats further than ever >>> before >>> >> this summer. We could be approaching a point of no return unless >>> emergency >>> >> action is taken. >>> >> >>> >> We suggest that the current situation should be treated as a warning >>> for us >>> >> all. The world community must rethink its attitude to fighting >>> >> global warming >>> >> by cutting greenhouse gas emissions sharply. However, even if >>> >> emissions could >>> >> be cut to zero, the existing CO2 in the atmosphere would continue to >>> >> warm the >>> >> planet for many decades. Geoengineering now appears the only means to >>> cool >>> >> the Arctic quickly enough. A geoengineering project of the intensity >>> of the >>> >> Manhattan Project is urgently needed to guard against a global >>> catastrophe. >>> >> >>> >> Yours sincerely, >>> >> >>> >> John Nissen >>> >> >>> >> [Other names to be added here.] >>> >> >>> >> [1] Stroeve et al, May 2007 >>> >> http://www.smithpa.demon.co.uk/GRL%20Arctic%20Ice.pdf >>> >> >>> >> [2] >>> >> >>> http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png >>> >> >>> >> [3] http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100608_Figure5.png >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> > Groups "geoengineering" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > [email protected]<geoengineering%[email protected]> >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> John Latham >>> >>> [email protected] & [email protected] >>> >>> Tel. 303-444-2429 (H) & 303-497-8182 (W) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "geoengineering" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<geoengineering%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> GUY LAKEMAN >> Guy's Central Headquarters >> GCHQ Thinktrank >> >> TVIT.ORG/ASM >> >> "face piles and piles of trials with smiles >> it riles them to believe >> that i percieve the web they weave" >> >> "wanting is the product of envy and jealousy >> and they lead to greed >> and greed is the shadow of the dark side" >> >> "NEVER TRY ... 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