You'll have to question them directly I suggest that we circulate a response to each - likely the same as sent to the ipcc
A On 16 Jun 2011 02:54, <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting list of groups. I will bet $100 that if each group were to be > contacted, that we would find they have no knowledge of this ETC effort. I > just randomly picked one... "Institute for Social Ecology" and searched > their website for "Geoengineering". This is what I > found.... http://www.social-ecology.org/?s=geoengineering&submit.x=10&submit.y=9 > No Result > > So, I tried another...."Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy. USA" > and again searched their site for GE. Here is what I found > http://www.social-ecology.org/?s=geoengineering&submit.x=10&submit.y=9 No > Result > > Being and hard headed SOUTHERN fellow, I tried one more....."International > Presentation Association of the Sisters of the Presentation, USA" Here is > the search result http://www.presentationsisters.org/search-results.php > AGAIN NO RESULT!!! > > Ok, I am upping the bet to $1,000. Any takers? > > > > On , "Rau, Greg" <[email protected]> wrote: >> From the letter: > >> "The likelihood that geoengineering will provide a safe, lasting, >> democratic and peaceful solution to the climate crisis is non-existent." > >> [please fill us in on the safer, longer lasting, more democratic, and >> peaceful solutions, and therefore why further evaluation of GE isn't >> needed.] > > > >> "Asking a group of geoengineering scientists if more research should be >> done on the topic is like asking a group of hungry bears if they would >> like honey. Their predictable answer should be viewed with skepticism. At >> the same time, independent organizations, which have devoted years of >> critical research to geoengineering, are not allowed to participate, even >> as observers." > >> [ glad someone has been able to do years of critical research on GE. >> Please transparently provide results, as well as evaluations of the >> better, non-GE solutions] > > > >> "...we urge the IPCC to ensure that a variety of civil society voices is >> heard, understood, and taken into account, particularly from the global >> South. This will provide much-needed common sense and a global >> perspective, as well as a counterpoint to the more prominent and extreme >> positions of some Northern scientists engaged in geoengineering research." > >> [didn't realize that there is a north/south divide here. I thought global >> warming and ocean acidification were equal opportunity impactors. Any >> Southerners on the GE list? care to weigh in?] > > > >> Interesting signatories* of this letter, including the African >> Biodiversity Network, Africa, international World Rainforest Movement, >> Cook Islands Climate Action Network (CICAN), Rarotonga, Cook Islands, >> Island Sustainability Alliance CIS Inc (ISACI) Rarotonga, COOK ISLANDS, >> Rainforest Rescue – Rettet den Regenwald, Germany, Sisters of Charity of >> Nazareth Congregational Leadership, United States. Certainly we are all >> for biodiveristy, rainforests, Pacific islands, charity, etc. Why run the >> risk of losing them by not considering all of our options for preserving >> them? > > > >> I've learned that effective political messaging requires 3 things: a >> victim, a villain, and an opportunity. While HOME et al. certainly have >> the first two covered, they offer no alternative opportunities for saving >> the world. That's truly dangerous. Let's keep all of our options open. > >> -Greg > >> * > >> African Biodiversity Network, Africa, international > > > >> ATALC – Amigos de la Tierra America Latina y Caribe, Latin America, >> international > > > >> Coordinadora Andina de Organizaciones Indígenas -CAOI, Andean, >> international > > > >> ETC group, international > > > >> Friends of the Earth International > > > >> Global Forest Coalition, International > > > >> Global Justice Ecology Project, International > > > >> GRAIN, International > > > >> Land is Life, international network of indigenous communities and >> organizations > > > >> Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate, International > > > >> International Center for Technology Assessment (ICTA), US / international > > > >> OILWATCH Sudamérica, international > > > >> Pan African Climate Justice Alliance (PACJA), Africa, International > > > >> RALLT, Red por una América Latina libre de Transgénicos, Latin America, >> international > > > >> Red Latinoamericana contra los Monocultivos de Árboles (RECOMA), Latin >> America, international > > > >> Redmanglar Internacional, Guatemala, international > > > >> Temple of Understanding US / international > > > >> Third World Network, international > > > >> Via Campesina, International Peasant Movement, international > > > >> World Future Council Foundation, international > > > >> World Rainforest Movement / Mov. Mundial de Bosques, international > > > > > > > >> Aboriginal Legal Rights Movement Inc, Australia > > > >> Acción Ecológica, Ecuador > > > >> Acción por la Biodiversidad, Argentina > > > >> ADEID, Action pour un Développement Équitable, Intégré et Durable, >> Cameroon > > > >> African Centre for Biosafety, South Africa > > > >> Alliance Sud, Switzerland > > > >> Amigos da Terra, Brazil > > > >> Amigu di Tera FoE Curaçao, Brazil > > > >> APUNA, Andhra Pradesh United Nations Association, India > > > >> Asociación ANDES, Cusco, Perú > > > >> Bio WILD Foundation, Biodiversity and Wildlife Integration for Livelihood >> Development, INDIA > > > >> Biofuelwatch, UK / US > > > >> Casifop, México > > > >> Ceccam, México > > > >> Cenami, México > > > >> Censat Agua Viva, Colombia > > > >> Center for Cultural Interchange and Greenheart, USA > > > >> Centre for Civil Society Environmental Justice Project, Durban, South >> Africa > > > >> Centro Ecológico IPÉ, Brazil > > > >> Centro Ecologista Renacer, Argentina > > > >> Centro Fray Julián Garcés de Derechos Humanos y Desarrollo Comunitario, >> México > > > >> CESTA, Amigos de la Tierra El Salvador > > > >> COECOCEIBA-AT Costa Rica > > > >> Colectivo COA, México > > > >> Colectivo Voces Ecológicas COVEC, Panamá > > > >> Consejo de Ejidos y Comunidades Opositores a la Presa La Parota (CECOP), >> México > > > >> Cook Islands Climate Action Network (CICAN), Rarotonga, Cook Islands > > > >> Cooperativa por un Ambiente Biodiverso y Sustentable, CAMBIOS, SC de >> RL,México > > > >> Corner House, UK > > > >> Cuarto Menguante Aliento por la conservación AC, México > > > >> Dewan Adat Papua, New Guinea > > > >> Dogwood Alliance – Asheville, NC, USA > > > >> Ecological Society of the Philippines > > > >> Ecologistas en Acción, Spain > > > >> Ecomunidades, red ecologista autónoma de la cuenca de México > > > >> Educación AT Argentina > > > >> CEIBA AT, Guatemala > > > >> Ethiopian Society or Consumer Protection, Ethiopia > > > >> Fair Coop (Fair Trade), Italy > > > >> Family Farm Defenders, Madison, Wi, USA > > > >> FASE, Brazil > > > >> Fondation Sciences Citoyennes, France > > > >> Frente de Pueblos en Defensa de la Tierra y el Agua, Región Malinche, >> México > > > >> Friends of the Earth US > > > >> Food First, US > > > >> Fundación Heifer-Ecuador > > > >> Fundación por el Futuro, Madrid, España > > > >> Fundación Promotora de Cooperativas – FUNPROCOOP, El Salvador > > > >> Gaia Foundation, UK > > > >> GMWatch, UK > > > >> Greenovation Center, China > > > >> Grupo SEMILLAS,Colombia > > > >> Grupo Thunhupha, Bolivia > > > >> IBON International, Philippines > > > >> Indian biodiversity forum, India > > > >> Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, USA > > > >> Institute of Science in Society, Mae-Wan Ho, UK > > > >> Instituto de Estudios Ecologistas del Tercer Mundo, Ecuador. > > > >> International Presentation Association of the Sisters of the >> Presentation, USA > > > >> Institute for Social Ecology, USA > > > >> ITC, Comité Intertribal, Brazil > > > >> Island Sustainability Alliance CIS Inc (ISACI) Rarotonga, COOK ISLANDS > > > >> Movimiento Madre Tierra, Honduras > > > >> Ka Lahui Hawai'i > > > >> Kiee Lu'u SSS México > > > >> L'Union Paysanne, Canada > > > >> La Asamblea Veracruzana de Iniciativa y Defensa Ambiental (LAVIDA), México > > > >> Mangrove Action Project, USA > > > >> Movimiento de la Juventud Kuna, Panamá > > > >> Movimiento por la Vida y la Equidad Campesina, El Salvador > > > >> Na Koa Ikaika KaLahui Hawaii > > > >> National Indigenous Peoples of Solomons Islands (NIPS), Solomon Islands > > > >> National Toxics Network Inc. Coordinator, Australia > > > >> New World Society For Friendship Cooperation And Peace, India > > > >> Ngati Hine tribe of the Bay Of Islands, New Zealand > > > >> NusaAlifuru of Maluku (Pacific, considered Indonesian) > > > >> Observatorio Latinoamericano de Conflictos Ambientales -OLCA, Chile > > > >> OFRANEH, Organizacion Fraternal Negra Hondureña, Honduras > > > >> Ole Siosiomaga Society Incorporated (OLSSI), SAMOA > > > >> Organización de Agricultores Biológicos AC, México > > > >> Philippinenbuero eV im Asienhaus; Germany > > > >> Proceso de Comunidades Negras de Colombia > > > >> Rainforest Rescue – Rettet den Regenwald, Germany > > > >> RAPA NUI PARLIAMENT (Polinesia) > > > >> Red de Coordinación en Biodiversidad, Costa Rica > > > >> Rede Brazileira de Pesquisas em Nanotecnologia – RENANOSOMA, Brazil > > > >> REDES AT, Uruguay > > > >> SAFEAGE, Observatory, Cape Town, South Africa > > > >> Salva la Selva, Spain > > > >> Savia, Escuela de Pensamiento Ecologista, Guatemala > > > >> SEARICE, Philippines > > > >> Sisters of Charity of Nazareth Congregational Leadership, United States > > > >> Sunray Harvesters, India > > > >> SWISSAID, Switzerland > > > >> Seeds Action Network, Germany > > > >> Terra de Direitos, Human Rights Organization- Brazil > > > >> Terra-1530, Moldova > > > >> Texas Drought Project, USA > > > >> The Development Fund, Norway > > > >> The Enviro Show, Western Massachusetts/USA > > > >> The Koani Foundation, Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii > > > >> The Noordhoek Environmental Action Group, Noordhoek, Cape Town, South >> Africa > > > >> Un Salto de Vida, AC, El Salto, Jalisco, México > > > >> US Federation for Middle East Peace (USFMEP), USA > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Josh Horton [[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:08 AM > >> To: geoengineering > >> Subject: [geo] HOME/ETC Group Targets IPCC > > > >> Here is the latest salvo from the HOME campaign, this time targeting > >> the IPCC expert group on geoengineering meeting in Peru: > > > >> http://www.handsoffmotherearth.org/2011/06/lettertoipcc/ > > > >> Josh Horton > >> [email protected] > >> http://geoengineeringpolitics.blogspot.com/ > > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "geoengineering" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "geoengineering" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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