Andrew

I cannot improve your draft.

Stephen

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Institute for Energy Systems
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On 16/06/2011 10:25, Andrew Lockley wrote:
Suggested wording, for amendment and endorsement.

A

We the undersigned represent a selection of the scientists, engineers
and social&  policy experts involved in the development of
geoengineering and its governance.  We write with frustration at the
sentiments expressed in the recent letter sent by ETC et al to the
press and IPCC.  As a result, we would like to express the following
views on the IPCC's process on geoengineering, and more generally:

1) We do not propose geoengineering as a substitute for emissions
cuts, and never have done.
2) We believe that research demonstrates that emissions cuts are
necessary, but may not be sufficient to control dangerous climate
change.
3) We note that several geoengineering schemes have been proposed
which appear to be workable, but that we currently lack the research
necessary to determine the full extent of any role they may play in
the future control of global warming.
4) We fear the deployment in emergency of poorly tested geoengineering
techniques
5) We argue for the proper funding and testing of possible
geoengineering technologies, in order to better understand them
6) We note that, despite the lack of clear geoengineering solutions
available for deployment at present, efforts to curtail emissions have
thus far achieved little or nothing.  As such, we believe that further
research will not in itself raise climate risks due to any perceived
panacea which the existence of the technology may wrongly appear to
offer.

Nevertheless, we note the the IPCCs consideration of this issue
represents a departure from its traditional pure science remit.  We
argue therefore for greater transparency of the process, the inclusion
of experts from social policy fields in the process, and the opening
up of sessions to external observers, notably civil society groups.

Yours sincerely


On 16 June 2011 09:39, Stephen Salter<[email protected]>  wrote:
Hi All

Pat Mooney of the ETC group repeats much of the IPCC letter in today's
Guardian see

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/15/geo-engineering-climate-consideration

Can we get the Guardian to print Ken's list of points?

Stephen

Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design
Institute for Energy Systems
School of Engineering
Mayfield Road
University of Edinburgh EH9  3JL
Scotland
Tel +44 131 650 5704
Mobile 07795 203 195
www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs

On 16/06/2011 08:21, Andrew Lockley wrote:

You'll have to question them directly

I suggest that we circulate a response to each - likely the same as sent to
the ipcc

A

On 16 Jun 2011 02:54,<[email protected]>  wrote:
Interesting list of groups. I will bet $100 that if each group were to be
contacted, that we would find they have no knowledge of this ETC effort. I
just randomly picked one... "Institute for Social Ecology" and searched
their website for "Geoengineering". This is what I

found....http://www.social-ecology.org/?s=geoengineering&submit.x=10&submit.y=9
No Result

So, I tried another...."Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy. USA"
and again searched their site for GE. Here is what I found
http://www.social-ecology.org/?s=geoengineering&submit.x=10&submit.y=9 No
Result

Being and hard headed SOUTHERN fellow, I tried one more....."International
Presentation Association of the Sisters of the Presentation, USA" Here is
the search result http://www.presentationsisters.org/search-results.php
AGAIN NO RESULT!!!

Ok, I am upping the bet to $1,000. Any takers?



On , "Rau, Greg"<[email protected]>  wrote:
 From the letter:
"The likelihood that geoengineering will provide a safe, lasting,
democratic and peaceful solution to the climate crisis is non-existent."
[please fill us in on the safer, longer lasting, more democratic, and
peaceful solutions, and therefore why further evaluation of GE isn't
needed.]


"Asking a group of geoengineering scientists if more research should be
done on the topic is like asking a group of hungry bears if they would
like honey. Their predictable answer should be viewed with skepticism. At
the same time, independent organizations, which have devoted years of
critical research to geoengineering, are not allowed to participate, even
as observers."
[ glad someone has been able to do years of critical research on GE.
Please transparently provide results, as well as evaluations of the
better, non-GE solutions]


"...we urge the IPCC to ensure that a variety of civil society voices is
heard, understood, and taken into account, particularly from the global
South. This will provide much-needed common sense and a global
perspective, as well as a counterpoint to the more prominent and extreme
positions of some Northern scientists engaged in geoengineering
research."
[didn't realize that there is a north/south divide here. I thought global
warming and ocean acidification were equal opportunity impactors. Any
Southerners on the GE list? care to weigh in?]


Interesting signatories* of this letter, including the African
Biodiversity Network, Africa, international World Rainforest Movement,
Cook Islands Climate Action Network (CICAN), Rarotonga, Cook Islands,
Island Sustainability Alliance CIS Inc (ISACI) Rarotonga, COOK ISLANDS,
Rainforest Rescue – Rettet den Regenwald, Germany, Sisters of Charity of
Nazareth Congregational Leadership, United States. Certainly we are all
for biodiveristy, rainforests, Pacific islands, charity, etc. Why run the
risk of losing them by not considering all of our options for preserving
them?


I've learned that effective political messaging requires 3 things: a
victim, a villain, and an opportunity. While HOME et al. certainly have
the first two covered, they offer no alternative opportunities for saving
the world. That's truly dangerous. Let's keep all of our options open.
-Greg
*
African Biodiversity Network, Africa, international


ATALC – Amigos de la Tierra America Latina y Caribe, Latin America,
international


Coordinadora Andina de Organizaciones Indígenas -CAOI, Andean,
international


ETC group, international


Friends of the Earth International


Global Forest Coalition, International


Global Justice Ecology Project, International


GRAIN, International


Land is Life, international network of indigenous communities and
organizations


Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate, International


International Center for Technology Assessment (ICTA), US / international


OILWATCH Sudamérica, international


Pan African Climate Justice Alliance (PACJA), Africa, International


RALLT, Red por una América Latina libre de Transgénicos, Latin America,
international


Red Latinoamericana contra los Monocultivos de Árboles (RECOMA), Latin
America, international


Redmanglar Internacional, Guatemala, international


Temple of Understanding US / international


Third World Network, international


Via Campesina, International Peasant Movement, international


World Future Council Foundation, international


World Rainforest Movement / Mov. Mundial de Bosques, international






Aboriginal Legal Rights Movement Inc, Australia


Acción Ecológica, Ecuador


Acción por la Biodiversidad, Argentina


ADEID, Action pour un Développement Équitable, Intégré et Durable,
Cameroon


African Centre for Biosafety, South Africa


Alliance Sud, Switzerland


Amigos da Terra, Brazil


Amigu di Tera FoE Curaçao, Brazil


APUNA, Andhra Pradesh United Nations Association, India


Asociación ANDES, Cusco, Perú


Bio WILD Foundation, Biodiversity and Wildlife Integration for Livelihood
Development, INDIA


Biofuelwatch, UK / US


Casifop, México


Ceccam, México


Cenami, México


Censat Agua Viva, Colombia


Center for Cultural Interchange and Greenheart, USA


Centre for Civil Society Environmental Justice Project, Durban, South
Africa


Centro Ecológico IPÉ, Brazil


Centro Ecologista Renacer, Argentina


Centro Fray Julián Garcés de Derechos Humanos y Desarrollo Comunitario,
México


CESTA, Amigos de la Tierra El Salvador


COECOCEIBA-AT Costa Rica


Colectivo COA, México


Colectivo Voces Ecológicas COVEC, Panamá


Consejo de Ejidos y Comunidades Opositores a la Presa La Parota (CECOP),
México


Cook Islands Climate Action Network (CICAN), Rarotonga, Cook Islands


Cooperativa por un Ambiente Biodiverso y Sustentable, CAMBIOS, SC de
RL,México


Corner House, UK


Cuarto Menguante Aliento por la conservación AC, México


Dewan Adat Papua, New Guinea


Dogwood Alliance – Asheville, NC, USA


Ecological Society of the Philippines


Ecologistas en Acción, Spain


Ecomunidades, red ecologista autónoma de la cuenca de México


Educación AT Argentina


CEIBA AT, Guatemala


Ethiopian Society or Consumer Protection, Ethiopia


Fair Coop (Fair Trade), Italy


Family Farm Defenders, Madison, Wi, USA


FASE, Brazil


Fondation Sciences Citoyennes, France


Frente de Pueblos en Defensa de la Tierra y el Agua, Región Malinche,
México


Friends of the Earth US


Food First, US


Fundación Heifer-Ecuador


Fundación por el Futuro, Madrid, España


Fundación Promotora de Cooperativas – FUNPROCOOP, El Salvador


Gaia Foundation, UK


GMWatch, UK


Greenovation Center, China


Grupo SEMILLAS,Colombia


Grupo Thunhupha, Bolivia


IBON International, Philippines


Indian biodiversity forum, India


Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, USA


Institute of Science in Society, Mae-Wan Ho, UK


Instituto de Estudios Ecologistas del Tercer Mundo, Ecuador.


International Presentation Association of the Sisters of the
Presentation, USA


Institute for Social Ecology, USA


ITC, Comité Intertribal, Brazil


Island Sustainability Alliance CIS Inc (ISACI) Rarotonga, COOK ISLANDS


Movimiento Madre Tierra, Honduras


Ka Lahui Hawai'i


Kiee Lu'u SSS México


L'Union Paysanne, Canada


La Asamblea Veracruzana de Iniciativa y Defensa Ambiental (LAVIDA),
México


Mangrove Action Project, USA


Movimiento de la Juventud Kuna, Panamá


Movimiento por la Vida y la Equidad Campesina, El Salvador


Na Koa Ikaika KaLahui Hawaii


National Indigenous Peoples of Solomons Islands (NIPS), Solomon Islands


National Toxics Network Inc. Coordinator, Australia


New World Society For Friendship Cooperation And Peace, India


Ngati Hine tribe of the Bay Of Islands, New Zealand


NusaAlifuru of Maluku (Pacific, considered Indonesian)


Observatorio Latinoamericano de Conflictos Ambientales -OLCA, Chile


OFRANEH, Organizacion Fraternal Negra Hondureña, Honduras


Ole Siosiomaga Society Incorporated (OLSSI), SAMOA


Organización de Agricultores Biológicos AC, México


Philippinenbuero eV im Asienhaus; Germany


Proceso de Comunidades Negras de Colombia


Rainforest Rescue – Rettet den Regenwald, Germany


RAPA NUI PARLIAMENT (Polinesia)


Red de Coordinación en Biodiversidad, Costa Rica


Rede Brazileira de Pesquisas em Nanotecnologia – RENANOSOMA, Brazil


REDES AT, Uruguay


SAFEAGE, Observatory, Cape Town, South Africa


Salva la Selva, Spain


Savia, Escuela de Pensamiento Ecologista, Guatemala


SEARICE, Philippines


Sisters of Charity of Nazareth Congregational Leadership, United States


Sunray Harvesters, India


SWISSAID, Switzerland


Seeds Action Network, Germany


Terra de Direitos, Human Rights Organization- Brazil


Terra-1530, Moldova


Texas Drought Project, USA


The Development Fund, Norway


The Enviro Show, Western Massachusetts/USA


The Koani Foundation, Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii


The Noordhoek Environmental Action Group, Noordhoek, Cape Town, South
Africa


Un Salto de Vida, AC, El Salto, Jalisco, México


US Federation for Middle East Peace (USFMEP), USA
________________________________________
From: [email protected] [[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Josh Horton [[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:08 AM
To: geoengineering
Subject: [geo] HOME/ETC Group Targets IPCC


Here is the latest salvo from the HOME campaign, this time targeting
the IPCC expert group on geoengineering meeting in Peru:


http://www.handsoffmotherearth.org/2011/06/lettertoipcc/


Josh Horton
[email protected]
http://geoengineeringpolitics.blogspot.com/


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