All the points Andrew made below about geo-engineering were made in recent years about adaptation (some called it immoral to even talk of adaptation).
The reality, of course, is that the epic, multi-generational path from a fossil-fueled civilization to whatever comes next is implicitly an all-of-the above task. John Holdren has distilled it pretty well with "mitigation, adaptation, suffering" and that still works if you include research on geo-engineering under "mitigation" (in other words, mitigating warming along with emissions). On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Ken Caldeira <kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu > wrote: > Naomi Klein is wrong. > > I do not see any substantial subset of people researching geoengineering > who see it as a way to avoid doing the hard work of reducing emissions. > > For most, researching 'geoengineering' is an expression of despair at the > fact that others are unwilling to do the hard work of reducing emissions. > > > _______________ > Ken Caldeira > > Carnegie Institution for Science > Dept of Global Ecology > 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA > +1 650 704 7212 kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu > http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira > > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Andrew Lockley > <andrew.lock...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Poster's note : short extract below discussing geoengineering. Full >> interview is very good. It basically describes why I left the green >> movement - they're all out of ideas and they have no solutions left. I >> don't agree with her conclusions, however - especially on geoengineering. >> >> >> http://www.salon.com/2013/09/05/naomi_klein_big_green_groups_are_crippling_the_environmental_movement_partner/ >> >> You were talking about the Clean Development Mechanism as a sort of >> disaster capitalism. Isn’t geoengineering the ultimate disaster capitalism? >> >> I certainly think it’s the ultimate expression of a desire to avoid doing >> the hard work of reducing emissions, and I think that’s the appeal of it. I >> think we will see this trajectory the more and more climate change becomes >> impossible to deny. A lot of people will skip right to geoengineering. The >> appeal of geoengineering is that it doesn’t threaten our worldview. It >> leaves us in a dominant position. It says that there is an escape hatch. So >> all the stories that got us to this point, that flatter ourselves for our >> power, will just be scaled up. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- *_* * * ANDREW C. REVKIN Dot Earth blogger, The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/dotearth Senior Fellow, Pace Acad. for Applied Env. Studies Cell: 914-441-5556 Fax: 914-989-8009 Twitter: @revkin Skype: Andrew.Revkin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
