There are a number of people who are interested in squeezing geoengineering into their pre-established worldview, wherein geoengineering is somehow another manifestation of the evils of crony capitalism and the current world order, and that therefore research into geoengineering as seen as an effort to help crony capitalism and the current world order to persist.
Geoengineering may be a response to CO2 emissions that have occurred under the current world order, but that does not mean that geoengineering research per se necessarily supports persistence of the current world order. For example, we have seen calls for international governance of solar geoengineering research. This suggests that solar geoengineering could potentially demonstrate the importance of systems of global governance -- a result that could potentially be antithetical to the interests of crony capitalism. --- Soil carbon storage has been discussed extensively in this and other fora. It could be a good idea but won't help much in an emergency. _______________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 [email protected] http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Brian Cartwright < [email protected]> wrote: > To Ken, > I don't think Naomi Klein was questioning the motives of geoengineering > researchers, rather saying that there could be a passive drift toward > geoengineering because emissions aren't reduced and climate change > continues; indeed even with big emission reductions there will be continued > warming that's already in the pipeline. > But I will question the motives of geoengineers, and I wish you would > answer. Why does soil carbon not figure in the discussion of methods to > cool the planet? Isn't it clear that its drastic depletion has resulted in > plenty of GHG emissions, as well as setting the stage for hydrological > failure? What is it about creating healthy soils that you don't get? > The kind of debate that Klein and Joe Romm are engaged in is utterly > unhelpful, and the public is justifiably despairing if this is the only > discourse they hear. Hence the drift toward ideas like manmade Pinatubos to > buy time. Time to do what? > Brian Cartwright > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:28:14 AM UTC-4, andrewjlockley wrote: >> >> Poster's note : short extract below discussing geoengineering. Full >> interview is very good. It basically describes why I left the green >> movement - they're all out of ideas and they have no solutions left. I >> don't agree with her conclusions, however - especially on geoengineering. >> >> http://www.salon.com/2013/09/**05/naomi_klein_big_green_** >> groups_are_crippling_the_**environmental_movement_**partner/<http://www.salon.com/2013/09/05/naomi_klein_big_green_groups_are_crippling_the_environmental_movement_partner/> >> >> You were talking about the Clean Development Mechanism as a sort of >> disaster capitalism. Isn’t geoengineering the ultimate disaster capitalism? >> >> I certainly think it’s the ultimate expression of a desire to avoid doing >> the hard work of reducing emissions, and I think that’s the appeal of it. I >> think we will see this trajectory the more and more climate change becomes >> impossible to deny. A lot of people will skip right to geoengineering. The >> appeal of geoengineering is that it doesn’t threaten our worldview. It >> leaves us in a dominant position. It says that there is an escape hatch. So >> all the stories that got us to this point, that flatter ourselves for our >> power, will just be scaled up. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
