In response to "could be a good idea... wouldn't help in an emergency": "Achieving soil carbon sequestration in the United States", Lal, Follett and Kimble 2003 https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/745281/soil-carbon-amp-challenes-to-policy-makers.pdf Better to talk about it now than to wait for an emergency. Brian
On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:52:43 AM UTC-4, Ken Caldeira wrote: > > There are a number of people who are interested in squeezing > geoengineering into their pre-established worldview, wherein geoengineering > is somehow another manifestation of the evils of crony capitalism and the > current world order, and that therefore research into geoengineering as > seen as an effort to help crony capitalism and the current world order to > persist. > > Geoengineering may be a response to CO2 emissions that have occurred under > the current world order, but that does not mean that geoengineering > research per se necessarily supports persistence of the current world order. > > For example, we have seen calls for international governance of solar > geoengineering research. This suggests that solar geoengineering could > potentially demonstrate the importance of systems of global governance -- a > result that could potentially be antithetical to the interests of crony > capitalism. > > --- > > Soil carbon storage has been discussed extensively in this and other fora. > It could be a good idea but won't help much in an emergency. > > > > _______________ > Ken Caldeira > > Carnegie Institution for Science > Dept of Global Ecology > 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA > +1 650 704 7212 [email protected] <javascript:> > http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira > > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Brian Cartwright > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> To Ken, >> I don't think Naomi Klein was questioning the motives of >> geoengineering researchers, rather saying that there could be a passive >> drift toward geoengineering because emissions aren't reduced and climate >> change continues; indeed even with big emission reductions there will be >> continued warming that's already in the pipeline. >> But I will question the motives of geoengineers, and I wish you would >> answer. Why does soil carbon not figure in the discussion of methods to >> cool the planet? Isn't it clear that its drastic depletion has resulted in >> plenty of GHG emissions, as well as setting the stage for hydrological >> failure? What is it about creating healthy soils that you don't get? >> The kind of debate that Klein and Joe Romm are engaged in is utterly >> unhelpful, and the public is justifiably despairing if this is the only >> discourse they hear. Hence the drift toward ideas like manmade Pinatubos to >> buy time. Time to do what? >> Brian Cartwright >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:28:14 AM UTC-4, andrewjlockley wrote: >>> >>> Poster's note : short extract below discussing geoengineering. Full >>> interview is very good. It basically describes why I left the green >>> movement - they're all out of ideas and they have no solutions left. I >>> don't agree with her conclusions, however - especially on geoengineering. >>> >>> http://www.salon.com/2013/09/**05/naomi_klein_big_green_** >>> groups_are_crippling_the_**environmental_movement_**partner/<http://www.salon.com/2013/09/05/naomi_klein_big_green_groups_are_crippling_the_environmental_movement_partner/> >>> >>> You were talking about the Clean Development Mechanism as a sort of >>> disaster capitalism. Isn’t geoengineering the ultimate disaster capitalism? >>> >>> I certainly think it’s the ultimate expression of a desire to avoid >>> doing the hard work of reducing emissions, and I think that’s the appeal of >>> it. I think we will see this trajectory the more and more climate change >>> becomes impossible to deny. A lot of people will skip right to >>> geoengineering. The appeal of geoengineering is that it doesn’t threaten >>> our worldview. It leaves us in a dominant position. It says that there is >>> an escape hatch. So all the stories that got us to this point, that flatter >>> ourselves for our power, will just be scaled up. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
