List and David
1. David Hawkins responded today with a longer piece and then this
correction:
"Whoops. In my penultimate sentence I left out an important "not."
The sentence should read--
> The fact that we are a part of nature does NOT mean we can argue that we
> should be comfortable with any actions we take because they are "natural."
This is partly to make sure that everyone understands that Oliver is not
guilty of the charge which David is rightly saying must not occur. I think my
three short excerpts from a very long book make clear that Oliver is well aware
of this.
Conversely, Dr. Shiva seems to believe it impossible to do ANYTHING
right. Unfortunately the same seems true of George Monbiot and his
BiofuelWatch sources.
I hope we can have some additional dialog on the ethics of doing nothing
in the CDR arena.
2. I have excerpted all but a few lines of what I wrote earlier, as I
inadvertently sent two versions - neither complete (still learning my new Mac).
Below I finish my thoughts about a map mentioned in the interview.
On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Ronal W. Larson <[email protected]> wrote:
> List cc Andrew
>
> This interview is of course not good news; Dr. Shiva has a pretty
> strong following in environmental circles.
>
> I add a few comments here for four reasons
<snip the first three>
>
> 4. Lastly, Dr. Shiva’s interviewer below wanted her to talk about
> “the map” (produced by a third campaigner against geoengineeering: ETC).
> That map can be seen at
>
[RWL: What I meant to add was the website for that map that I consider as
uninformed about CDR as I do the comments of Dr. Shiva and George Monbiot:
http://www.etcgroup.org/content/world-geoengineering
This map is at least 16 months our of date, claiming only 300
“Geoengineering” projects. Roughly half of them seem to be biochar - and I am
sure the number was much higher 16 months ago, but would probably be in excess
of 1000 by now. One example of their being badly out of date is the fact they
show zero biochar activity in China, whereas that Country has at least 3
regional groups (shown at the the IBI site, along with conferences in China).
My guess is that China either is or will be the premier biochar country shortly
- exactly as they have done for wind, photovoltaics, solar thermal heating
(something like 2/3 of the world totals), and afforestation.
The interviewer and Dr. Shiva seemed to think it reprehensible that a
map exists with 300 “Geo” entries. I view the number 300 differently. I hope
that ETC will quickly update, so as to show that there are huge and growing
numbers of researchers who take the opposite ethical view of Dr. Shiva, George
Monbiot, ETC, and the interviewer.
On the other hand - maybe that is the ETC reason for not keeping this map
current.
Ron
<for expediency, I snip the full interview with Dr. Shiva, sent in a few
days ago by Andrew>
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