I see the issue as a mixture of these comments – poor agricultural practice 
depletes carbon, dumping it into the atmosphere.  Good practices could reverse 
at least some of this.  I have seen numbers of 50 GT for US soil recovery, and 
I challenge any of us energy wonks to come up with numbers like that. Sorry I 
don't have a citation for that.

I'm really thinking toward the post 2050 negative carbon regime, but it seems 
that encouraging "all of the above" is a good idea.

R

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From: David desJardins <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:40 AM
To: Fred Zimmerman 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, John HARTE 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: Ken Caldeira 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, "Aines, 
Roger D." <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, Robert Socolow 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, 
"[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, geoengineering 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [geo] A closer look at the flawed studies behind policies used to 
promote 'low-carbon' biofuels | University of Michigan News

On Thu Feb 12 2015 at 9:32:23 AM Fred Zimmerman 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
For an example of what John is talking about, see 
http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/japanese-agricultural-heritage-systems-recognized.  
Japanese traditional agricultural practices are based on maintaining coherent 
local biomes as opposed to razing them and creating monocultures.

How many calories/acre does this produce, compared to modern industrial 
agriculture?

I'm skeptical that this is more efficient/effective than making high-output use 
of the farms and fields we have, while preserving remaining land in a natural 
state.  Especially since we've already got a lot of land that is either in 
industrial agriculture now, or in non-intensive agriculture that has still 
eliminated essentially all of the native species.

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