Veli, It may be more economic than policy, yet policy clearly is important. If revenue generating adjunct functions are designed in, the policymakers are far more motivated to work with this level of long term ecosystem(s) intensive care efforts.
Many such duel mission operations are open. The front end high risk investors would have multiple levels in which to approach this. The reef intensive care effort can be and must be economically self sustaining as it must be environmentally self sustaining. Michael On Saturday, May 13, 2017, Veli Albert Kallio <[email protected]> wrote: > I would suggest initial work being focused for developing assisted > biodiversity refugia by pumping cold water to small areas to prevent > extinction of species. This would be easiest to apply in areas where there > are nearby strong cold currents that could be forced by scoop to rise to > surface by tubing and pumping. If the idea works and delivers a positive > outcome, then the areas could be gradually expanded. It would not be a > panachea for warming itself, but just to mitigate its impact much the same > way waters are oxygenated in the Baltic Sea to keep fish alive. The > oxygenation is being done in many smaller water bodies like lakes and > rivers, the same way cold water pumping to keep corals alive could be made > using the natural energy of ocean current to force the cold water > up through the tubes. > > The biggest obstacle is the political will to do anything about the > climate impacts. As long as it does not smell in front of our noses, our > wastes do not seem to matter for far too many people like Donald Trump. > Spending and consuming is all in all. > > *Subject:* Re: [geo] Scientists Consider Brighter Clouds to Preserve the > Great Barrier Reef > > Vali, > > I've run across many such micro environmental systems. The technology to > deploy a versatile reef protection package is understood. The development > of profit generation concepts, to support reef infrastructure that meets > mitigation and adaptation measures, has been, regrettable, the Tail End > Charlie of deployment related discussions. > > More than a few outstanding business profit models can be offered yet > cultivation of basic marine biomass, using excess upwelled nutrients and > the cold water, offers the most basic path to sustainable environments and > profits. > > The greatest need, at this time, is to find funding to deploy prototype > systems so as to produce properly detailed analysis of this large basket of > STEM. > > With a realistic start-up funding level, equivalent to a new moderate > sized seiner ($600K) per site, a greater profit can be demonstrated over > that of typical inshore/reef fishing gear, while providing a robust list of > environmental services to the reef. > > Farming basic marine biomass, using biorock armored bioreactor arrays > within the reef system(s) is workable. > > > Best regards, > > Michael > > > On Friday, April 28, 2017, Veli Albert Kallio <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Most coral reefs have a lagoon which is like a bowl. The lagoon protects >> also from sharks coming from ocean to lagoon. The coldness would be >> absorbed by corals. If the cold water is pumped near coast by the time it >> reaches outer reach of lagoon it will have warmed and done its job by >> cooling the corals. The only place where the cold water sinks is corals >> themselves and those we are just trying to save from heat. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> >> on behalf of Stephen Salter <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* 28 April 2017 10:41 >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [geo] Scientists Consider Brighter Clouds to Preserve the >> Great Barrier Reef >> >> >> Hi All >> >> Cold water pumped to the surface will sink quite quickly. It is also >> possible to pump warm surface water down at places up stream of the coral >> with all the energy coming from wave action. I can send a paper to anyone >> who asks. I understand that a test tank model will be shown by Discovery >> Channel on 9 May at 10 pm EST in a programme called 'can we hack the >> planet'. >> >> Stephen >> Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design. School of Engineering, >> University of Edinburgh, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh EH9 3DW, Scotland >> [email protected], Tel +44 (0)131 650 5704, Cell 07795 203 195, >> WWW.homepages.ed.ac.uk/shs, YouTube Jamie Taylor Power for Change >> On 28/04/2017 09:42, Greg Rau wrote: >> >> Just to be clear, the upwelling-to-cool-corals idea was lead author >> Hollier's (attached). My contribution was to consider adding alkalinity >> generation to this scheme. >> Greg >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Michael Hayes <[email protected]> >> *To:* geoengineering <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 12:49 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [geo] Scientists Consider Brighter Clouds to Preserve the >> Great Barrier Reef >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> The top/down approach is needed. >> >> I would like to point out that one of Greg Rau's early papers was on the >> subject of pumping deep cold water up to coral reefs to protect them from >> heat. >> >> It is now known that artificial upwelling will also bring up nutrients >> and CO2, neither of which are needed by the coral. As such, if that >> nutrient and CO2 rich water is first conducted through an enclosed marine >> biomass operation, leaving no more than cold water for the coral, Greg's >> idea becomes viable. >> >> MCB and Brightwater should both play an important role, in concert with >> confined marine biomass production, in protecting coral reefs. >> >> The sale of the marine biomass/biochar should be able to pay for both MCB >> and Brightwater operations. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/to >> pic/geoengineering/9rDlGeiMiQY/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > *Michael Hayes* > > *The Cascadia Marine and Limnology Laboratory* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Michael Hayes* *The Cascadia Marine and Limnology Laboratory* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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