Ok, fair. My (adjusted) point then is that it seems relevant for governance scholars who are not experts in geoengineering, but do have expertise in relevant fields like environmental or climate governance, or re international governance agreements or pathways or enforcement or processes etc etc, to state perspectives or preferences about the utility of a potential so-called non-use agreement. I don't agree with much of what they've said, and I vehemently object to the way the campaign around it is being run, but I don't think the authors' lack of publishing record on geoengineering should lead to their perspectives being dismissed. Noting, ofc, that you have no expressed view here. :)
On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 12:16:21 PM UTC-5 Andrew Lockley wrote: > Michael, can you please explain why the search would exclude such > governance scholars? > > To clarify: I have passed on my source's data and paraphrased/extended > their comments. I have not expressed a view. > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 16:53 Michael Thompson, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Governance scholars are entirely relevant here. They need not be all well >> published on atmospheric chemistry. I have my issues with this letter, and >> the campaign around it, but I think this lot of folks has done plenty of >> work to be considered relevant and listened to on the topic of a non-use >> agreement. >> >> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 11:47:21 AM UTC-5 Andrew Lockley wrote: >> >>> About that recent letter on "International Non-Use Agreement on Solar >>> Geoengineering"... >>> >>> https://www.solargeoeng.org/ >>> >>> It has been signed by "senior scholars", we're told: >>> >>> "...over 45 senior scholars from around the world who are the First >>> Signatories of our Open Letter..." >>> >>> But is this description correct, insofar as the signatories' publication >>> record on this specific subject? >>> >>> I've been asked to share the attached data, by an anon source. It's >>> based on WOS searches, (with a couple of manual amendments for missing >>> pubs). >>> >>> 'Web of science search, topic: "solar geoengineering" OR "solar >>> radiation management" OR "climate engineering" OR "geoengineering" OR >>> "stratospheric aerosol geoengineering" OR "marine cloud brightening" OR >>> "cirrus cloud thinning"' >>> >>> While this search is doubtless neither perfect nor exhaustive, it does >>> not appear obviously biased to me. (I had no role in its generation.) >>> >>> I've added only mean/max/mode info - pasting data to a new file to >>> protect my source. >>> >>> You will note the following key points of information >>> 1) Mode number of topic papers detected among sigs is zero - Only ~1/3 >>> have ever published on the topic. Any "senior" status has therefore >>> generally been acquired in other fields, or not at all. >>> 2) Max pubs is 8 among signatories (FYI same as me - and am an unwaged >>> RA with no PhD, and not by any sensible objective definition a "senior >>> scholar"). >>> 3) Of the top ~400 authors on solar geo, only 7 have signed their >>> letter. (<2%) >>> 4) Mean publications of signatories <1 >>> 5) Max pubs of non-signatories is over 10x that of signatories >>> >>> As always, I express no opinion. You can form your own view, based on >>> the facts, as to whether these signatories are accurately described as >>> "senior scholars", wrt to this specific letter. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/e2684704-3b0b-43cb-a88d-055c59c5cb91n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/e2684704-3b0b-43cb-a88d-055c59c5cb91n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/b46b4acd-526b-47ae-9d74-2e4ea09dcb93n%40googlegroups.com.
