Yes, that's a solid point. How many sustainability challenges (other than CFC's) have been, or can be, "governed a fair, inclusive, and effective manner"?
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 11:46 PM Greg Rau <gh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > “In short, solar geoengineering deployment cannot be governed globally in > a fair, inclusive, and effective manner.” > Apparently, neither can adequate emissions reduction. Considering what’s > at stake, how about trying harder on both fronts? Or would that be asking > too much of governance “experts”? Guess our only hope is CDR, or is that > also beyond human control? > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 21, 2022, at 7:07 PM, 'Robert Tulip' via geoengineering < > geoengineering@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > Andrew > > > > From the content of the letter, it is obvious the authors are not > geoengineering experts. The signatories of the open letter > <https://www.solargeoeng.org/non-use-agreement/open-letter/> are listed > at https://www.solargeoeng.org/non-use-agreement/signatories/. They are > mainly governance scholars, as noted in the article > <https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.754>, which means > their fields are more in social science than physical science. > > > > I doubt that people with scientific expertise in geoengineering would > support such an ignorant and harmful polemic. It is distressing that the > evidence-free attitudes in this letter have such widespread senior academic > support. If this viewpoint remains influential, our planetary goose is > cooked. > > > > Robert Tulip > > > > *From:* geoengineering@googlegroups.com <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> *On > Behalf Of *Andrew Lockley > *Sent:* Saturday, 22 January 2022 3:47 AM > *To:* geoengineering <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> > *Subject:* [geo] Senior scholars? > > > > About that recent letter on "International Non-Use Agreement on Solar > Geoengineering"... > > > > https://www.solargeoeng.org/ > > > > It has been signed by "senior scholars", we're told: > > > > "...over 45 senior scholars from around the world who are the First > Signatories of our Open Letter..." > > > > But is this description correct, insofar as the signatories' publication > record on this specific subject? > > > > I've been asked to share the attached data, by an anon source. It's based > on WOS searches, (with a couple of manual amendments for missing pubs). > > > > 'Web of science search, topic: "solar geoengineering" OR "solar radiation > management" OR "climate engineering" OR "geoengineering" OR "stratospheric > aerosol geoengineering" OR "marine cloud brightening" OR "cirrus cloud > thinning"' > > > > While this search is doubtless neither perfect nor exhaustive, it does not > appear obviously biased to me. (I had no role in its generation.) > > > > I've added only mean/max/mode info - pasting data to a new file to protect > my source. > > > > You will note the following key points of information > > 1) Mode number of topic papers detected among sigs is zero - Only ~1/3 > have ever published on the topic. Any "senior" status has therefore > generally been acquired in other fields, or not at all. > > 2) Max pubs is 8 among signatories (FYI same as me - and am an unwaged RA > with no PhD, and not by any sensible objective definition a "senior > scholar"). > > 3) Of the top ~400 authors on solar geo, only 7 have signed their letter. > (<2%) > > 4) Mean publications of signatories <1 > > 5) Max pubs of non-signatories is over 10x that of signatories > > > > As always, I express no opinion. You can form your own view, based on the > facts, as to whether these signatories are accurately described as "senior > scholars", wrt to this specific letter. > > > > Andrew > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAJ3C-04ZMTp75MmSfji6PajrK_ujRe208kqxk_sx1MZ9AL8AuQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAJ3C-04ZMTp75MmSfji6PajrK_ujRe208kqxk_sx1MZ9AL8AuQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/033601d80f3d%241ef64f70%245ce2ee50%24%40yahoo.com.au > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/033601d80f3d%241ef64f70%245ce2ee50%24%40yahoo.com.au?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/6E6F2258-A936-41AD-841E-CFAE3A03C2D7%40sbcglobal.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/6E6F2258-A936-41AD-841E-CFAE3A03C2D7%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- *ANDREW REVKIN* *Founding Director, Initiative on Communication & Sustainability* *Columbia University Climate School* *Sustain What newsletter <http://revkin.bulletin.com>* *Sustain What webcast* <http://j.mp/sustainwhatlive> *+1 914.441.5556 phone, @revkin Twitter* *@revkin <http://twitter.com/revkin>, Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/andrew.revkin.5>, Music <http://j.mp/revkinmusic>, Books <https://www.amazon.com/Andrew-Revkin/e/B001IXNSRK/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1390325965&sr=1-2-ent>* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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