To be clear, this effort goes quite a bit further. From the "extended argument": "[…] it is *effective *and *enforceable *political control by the Global South that would be required."
That, of course, renders basically any global (climate) governance effort anywhere illegitimate. *Gernot Wagner, **New York University (on leave at Columbia Business School, spring 2022)* gwagner.com *Keep in touch: *gwagner.com/#newsletter On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 8:40 PM Andrew Revkin <rev...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, that's a solid point. How many sustainability challenges (other than > CFC's) have been, or can be, "governed a fair, inclusive, and effective > manner"? > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 11:46 PM Greg Rau <gh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> “In short, solar geoengineering deployment cannot be governed globally >> in a fair, inclusive, and effective manner.” >> Apparently, neither can adequate emissions reduction. Considering what’s >> at stake, how about trying harder on both fronts? Or would that be asking >> too much of governance “experts”? Guess our only hope is CDR, or is that >> also beyond human control? >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 21, 2022, at 7:07 PM, 'Robert Tulip' via geoengineering < >> geoengineering@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> From the content of the letter, it is obvious the authors are not >> geoengineering experts. The signatories of the open letter >> <https://www.solargeoeng.org/non-use-agreement/open-letter/> are listed >> at https://www.solargeoeng.org/non-use-agreement/signatories/. They are >> mainly governance scholars, as noted in the article >> <https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.754>, which means >> their fields are more in social science than physical science. >> >> >> >> I doubt that people with scientific expertise in geoengineering would >> support such an ignorant and harmful polemic. It is distressing that the >> evidence-free attitudes in this letter have such widespread senior academic >> support. If this viewpoint remains influential, our planetary goose is >> cooked. >> >> >> >> Robert Tulip >> >> >> >> *From:* geoengineering@googlegroups.com <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Lockley >> *Sent:* Saturday, 22 January 2022 3:47 AM >> *To:* geoengineering <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* [geo] Senior scholars? >> >> >> >> About that recent letter on "International Non-Use Agreement on Solar >> Geoengineering"... >> >> >> >> https://www.solargeoeng.org/ >> >> >> >> It has been signed by "senior scholars", we're told: >> >> >> >> "...over 45 senior scholars from around the world who are the First >> Signatories of our Open Letter..." >> >> >> >> But is this description correct, insofar as the signatories' publication >> record on this specific subject? >> >> >> >> I've been asked to share the attached data, by an anon source. It's based >> on WOS searches, (with a couple of manual amendments for missing pubs). >> >> >> >> 'Web of science search, topic: "solar geoengineering" OR "solar radiation >> management" OR "climate engineering" OR "geoengineering" OR "stratospheric >> aerosol geoengineering" OR "marine cloud brightening" OR "cirrus cloud >> thinning"' >> >> >> >> While this search is doubtless neither perfect nor exhaustive, it does >> not appear obviously biased to me. (I had no role in its generation.) >> >> >> >> I've added only mean/max/mode info - pasting data to a new file to >> protect my source. >> >> >> >> You will note the following key points of information >> >> 1) Mode number of topic papers detected among sigs is zero - Only ~1/3 >> have ever published on the topic. Any "senior" status has therefore >> generally been acquired in other fields, or not at all. >> >> 2) Max pubs is 8 among signatories (FYI same as me - and am an unwaged RA >> with no PhD, and not by any sensible objective definition a "senior >> scholar"). >> >> 3) Of the top ~400 authors on solar geo, only 7 have signed their >> letter. (<2%) >> >> 4) Mean publications of signatories <1 >> >> 5) Max pubs of non-signatories is over 10x that of signatories >> >> >> >> As always, I express no opinion. You can form your own view, based on the >> facts, as to whether these signatories are accurately described as "senior >> scholars", wrt to this specific letter. >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAJ3C-04ZMTp75MmSfji6PajrK_ujRe208kqxk_sx1MZ9AL8AuQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAJ3C-04ZMTp75MmSfji6PajrK_ujRe208kqxk_sx1MZ9AL8AuQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/033601d80f3d%241ef64f70%245ce2ee50%24%40yahoo.com.au >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/033601d80f3d%241ef64f70%245ce2ee50%24%40yahoo.com.au?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/6E6F2258-A936-41AD-841E-CFAE3A03C2D7%40sbcglobal.net >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/6E6F2258-A936-41AD-841E-CFAE3A03C2D7%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > *ANDREW REVKIN* > *Founding Director, Initiative on Communication & Sustainability* > *Columbia University Climate School* > *Sustain What newsletter <http://revkin.bulletin.com>* > *Sustain What webcast* <http://j.mp/sustainwhatlive> > *+1 914.441.5556 phone, @revkin Twitter* > *@revkin <http://twitter.com/revkin>, Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/andrew.revkin.5>, Music > <http://j.mp/revkinmusic>, Books > <https://www.amazon.com/Andrew-Revkin/e/B001IXNSRK/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1390325965&sr=1-2-ent>* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CA%2Bakwtb8K9G1OfyVMvABhDqMxQWC31kcqd0iKaidpxF84Gm4Yg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CA%2Bakwtb8K9G1OfyVMvABhDqMxQWC31kcqd0iKaidpxF84Gm4Yg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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