Hi John That is good to know. I had heard that greenhouse owners thought it useful to increase CO2. I expect that they would also be adding other stuff. But the question I wanted people to think about was having CO2 levels below preindustrial. Stephen
From: John Harte <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 5:42 PM To: SALTER Stephen <[email protected]> Cc: Renaud de RICHTER <[email protected]>; healthy-planet-action-coalition <[email protected]>; Healthy Climate Alliance <[email protected]>; Healthy Climate Initiative <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [geo] RE: Carbon Dioxide Is a Pollutant. Please Help Establish That Fact. This email was sent to you by someone outside the University. You should only click on links or attachments if you are certain that the email is genuine and the content is safe. Actually people have “consulted the vegetables” about this. Carefully controlled CO2 manipulation experiments generally reveal that when plants are subjected to higher CO2 levels, with everything else, including water, N, and P, remaining at ambient levels, then either the C:N ratio of plant tissue increases and as a result herbivory increases so that herbivores can get their needed nitrogen, or not much at all happens because of water limitation. In both cases there is little or no net increase in production. There are of course circumstances in which increasing CO2 can augment production but they are unlikely to be found in the real world, especially in a world in which water supply has been altered by the climate effects of increasing CO2. John Harte Distinguished Professor of the Graduate School Ecosystem Sciences ERG/ESPM University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> On Jun 17, 2022, at 9:31 AM, SALTER Stephen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi All Has anybody consulted the vegetables about carbon dioxide being a pollutant? Some of my best food . . . Stephen From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Renaud de RICHTER Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 4:25 PM To: healthy-planet-action-coalition <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Healthy Climate Alliance <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Healthy Climate Initiative <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Carbon Dioxide Is a Pollutant. Please Help Establish That Fact. This email was sent to you by someone outside the University. You should only click on links or attachments if you are certain that the email is genuine and the content is safe. Greenhouse gases must be legally phased out, US scientists argue https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/16/greenhouse-gases-must-be-legally-phased-out-us-scientists-argue You can sign the petition https://cprclimate.org/about/actions-campaigns/petition-to-epa/ ---------- Forwarded message --------- De : James Hansen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: ven. 17 juin 2022 à 16:53 Subject: Carbon Dioxide Is a Pollutant. Please Help Establish That Fact. 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Global surface temperature relative to 1880-1920 mean. Carbon Dioxide Is a Pollutant. Please Help Establish That Fact. May 2022 Temperature Update 17 June 2022 James Hansen, Makiko Sato and Reto Ruedy CO2 fits perfectly EPA’s definition of a chemical substance that presents “an unreasonable risk of injury to health or the environment.” Congress, with strong bipartisan agreement, established the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA; acronym pronounced tosca) in 1976 and – with bipartisan support again – strengthened the law in 2016. This law has been used successfully to phase out or reduce many substances, including asbestos, lead in paint, PCBs, and CFCs[1]. EPA has broad latitude in how to achieve reductions and can work with other agencies for that purpose. Citizens may petition EPA on the need to address a pollutant under TSCA. EPA must respond to a petition within 90 days. Yesterday several of us[a] delivered to EPA a petition[2] for phase out of greenhouse gas (GHG) pollution to restore a stable and healthy climate. The prospects for EPA to accept their obligation will be much improved if we can present them with an impressive list of endorsers of the petition. Please examine the petition and consider adding your name as an endorser of the petition<https://columbia.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=0ebaeb14fdbf5dc65289113c1&id=2fb4f391a2&e=bee29348b6>. United States citizens are especially relevant as endorsers, but there is also value in support of world citizens for what is a global problem. Fig. 1, our global temperature update, is a reminder that the world is headed inexorably toward hotter conditions, as the cooling effect of the current strong La Nina barely got global temperature down to the increasing trendline of global temperature. The 12-month running-mean temperature is already heading toward the next global record that will occur in conjunction with the next El Nino.[3] ________________________________ [a] Dan Galpern (Hansen’s long-time attorney, who worked for months on this petition), Donn Vivianni (retired EPA scientist who alerted us to the TSCA potential for greenhouse gases), Lisa Van Susteren (physician, writer and world’s leading authority on the psychiatric effects on young people of daily news about growing climate impacts while adults do little to alter the course), and atmospheric chemist John Birks, and Hansen. (Co-petitioner climate accountability analyst Richard Heede could not be present for the delivery to EPA). <~WRD1838.jpg> Fig. 2. Cumulative 1751-2020 fossil fuel carbon emissions (tons C/person; 2020 populations). Horizontal lines are multiples of the global mean. The order of individual nations from left to right is based on cumulative national emissions. Fig. 2 is a reminder that the United States is most responsible for the fossil fuel CO2emissions that are the dominant cause of human-made climate change. We can also be leaders in the solution if we begin to make the polluters pay via a steadily rising carbon fee with the funds distributed to the public (a conservative, bipartisan approach). Of course, the timing has to be right. The best time was years ago. If the rising price had started a decade and a half ago, when Obama and Biden were elected and had the opportunity afforded by a global financial emergency, U.S. emissions and fossil fuel use would be down at least 40% and we would have plenty of excess energy capacity to help Europe with its near-term fossil fuel energy demands. Evoking TSCA will not demand an instant carbon price – the timing needs to be sensible. However, it will be a huge step, putting us on a course with the potential to address the climate problem globally. The huge U.S. economy allows the opportunity to affect the global approach via border duties on products from countries that do not have a carbon fee. Other policies also need to be sensible. Whose idea was it to immediately halt import of Russian fuels? The predictable effect was to raise the price of fossil fuels, causing huge pain in the West – and in the rest of the world, which thus must choose to look the other way as Ukraine suffers. What courage. When Putin says that he will get angry if we send the weapons that Ukrainians need to defend their nation, our leaders quake and instead take actions that sacrifice Ukrainian lives, raise our own energy costs, and increase Putin’s profits needed to wage war. 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