This is an odd case were both of you are right but are in opposition :-)

I assume you can both see the other persons point of view and why that 
is a viable concern for any Java EE project? ie as library needs to work 
with both these groups; standards and "defacto" standards.

Cheers,
Jody

Vincent Heurteaux wrote:
> Hello guy's
>
> Le 26 juin 08 à 08:54, Andrea Aime a écrit :
>> Glassfish is not the standard, Tomcat is.
> Wrong, JEE is a standard Tomcat is not.
> Glassfish is not a standard but is the reference implementation of JEE5
>
>> EJB3 is not the standard, Spring and Hibernate are.
> Wrong again, Spring and Hibernate are products from one company for 
> each, and architecture concepts do not come at the begining from a 
> diversified expert group.
>
> Standards are not about Sun or whatever, they're technology that come 
> from experts comming from differents univers and need a technology tha 
> rule them all.
>
>


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