Vincent Heurteaux ha scritto:
> Hello guy's
> 
> Le 26 juin 08 à 08:54, Andrea Aime a écrit :
>> Glassfish is not the standard, Tomcat is.
> Wrong, JEE is a standard Tomcat is not.
> Glassfish is not a standard but is the reference implementation of JEE5

Vincent, I wasn't meaning literally. I meant Tomcat is important
and relevant out there, Glassfish much less so, as the numbers
of users of the two show up. When you say standard you're
meaning international standards, when I say standard I mean de-facto
ones.

>> EJB3 is not the standard, Spring and Hibernate are.
> Wrong again, Spring and Hibernate are products from one company for 
> each, and architecture concepts do not come at the begining from a 
> diversified expert group.
> 
> Standards are not about Sun or whatever, they're technology that come 
> from experts comming from differents univers and need a technology tha 
> rule them all.

Here is the point were we disagree. Any worthwhile implementation from
my point of view comes from the ground up and has a vibrant community
of developers and users, it's alive, reacts to the needs of the
developers and users quickly.
If it happens it implement an international standard more power to them,
but that's not what I'm looking for  in general when I implement new 
software.

If all of a sudden all the open source community around Java
vanished I would switch to another language right away (a language
that has a vibrant community behind it, such as python).

Cheers
Andrea

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