On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Eric Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Not if the UK national mapping agency is to be beleived. :( >> >> They claim that points plotted in GB are derivatives of their data - > > Barry, > > Can you give me a reference supporting this statement?
The most recent reference is here: http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Maps-API/msg/1bb292b5e15d46ff but its second hand. (or third etc) I've also had this said in an email to me from the OS - sadly I cant find it from a quick scan, will check more later. But the 'open'space mentioned is perhaps quite a clear cut message to this effect. Interestingly tho, in the above thread I link to evidence where the OS have said something different... http://blog.dixo.net/2006/10/23/geograph-creative-commons-and-ordnance-survey-revisited/ Copyright and IP is like WAR, do what you can get away with... (a lovely quote - sadly dont remember who to attribute it to) > That would be an > interesting twist - a big reason for NMAs like the OS is the establish the > boundaries of a sovereign nation. If what you say is true, the OS claims a > certain sovereignty over representations of that nation! Well in the case of OSGB - the boundaries are pretty simple - its all coastline :) Another twist... http://freeourdata.org.uk/ The royal mail and its copyright and licencing claims over postcode data - is why it doesnt feature on many sites - and things like the Google Maps API. (sorry for the thread drift pushing this UK orientated - but perhaps helps to explain Brits paranoia over the IP in stuff like the Flickr shapedata) > > -Eric > >> >> as Google Maps gets it data from TeleAtlas - which in turn get data >> from the OS. See also [1] >> >> I believe it's something to with not been totally 'severable' from >> the map data. It may include placenames shown on the map (and >> associated misspelling) and positions which are actually incorrect in >> relative to reality. (A map is a cartographic (and artistic) >> representation of reality - it isn't fact) >> >> Taken to the extreme, see 1.4: >> http://openspace.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/openspace/faq.html >> >> But as noted in the other thread this hasn't fully been proved in a >> court of law - which is going to be about the only way to prove it (at >> least in the eyes of the law anyway!). >> >> Not that I agree with it, but it is part of the FUD spread about such >> issues [which I am of course perpetuating with this message :( ] >> >> Barry >> >> >> [1] http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/help/legalnotices_maps.html >> >> >> > >> > Mano >> > >> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:49 PM, stephen white <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> >> If you position something with Googsoft Earth maps, who owns the co- >> >> ordinates? >> >> >> >> What if you position hundreds of thousands of things? >> >> >> >> What if you position for every pixel, leading to your ownership of the >> >> entire map? (Obviously theoretical, with the number of pixels!) >> >> >> >> A counter-possibility is subtle warping of the maps to make them >> >> incompatible with each other, as a form of data lock-in. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Geowanking mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Geowanking mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Barry >> >> - www.nearby.org.uk - www.geograph.org.uk - >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geowanking mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > > > > -- > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > -- Barry - www.nearby.org.uk - www.geograph.org.uk - _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list [email protected] http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org
