US Copyright law protects creative works. For this situation you must 
add creativity to the derivation. US Copyright law doesn't allow for the 
mere "sweat of the brow" or "industriousness" argument. For dbs, that 
means you cannot claim copyright just because you spend oodles of time 
or money collecting geospatial data. There has to be something creative 
in the way you arrange it or display it.

A collection of data by itself is not copyrightable. It's a mere 
compilation and not a creative work. The basis for judicious decisions 
on geospatial data comes from the US Supreme Court's case, /Feist 
Publications versus Rural Telephone Service/. This was a breakthough 
case that smashed the monopoly of telephone book companies. Basically, 
the ruling was that "Rural's white pages are not entitled to copyright, 
and therefore Feist's use of them does not constitute infringement." 
That doesn't mean no dbs are copyrightable. If you can establish 
creativity in the arrangement and selection the data then you could 
copyright it. However, last name, first name, address and phone number 
don't count. Overall, it's hard to make the case for ownership on data 
alone. There has to be something more.

Many of the rulings apply to output and not to dbs. It's easier to 
copyright maps than it is to copyright the digital dbs that underlie 
them. A lot of GIS related ownership issues are actually about maps. 
What Google (really Quickbird or Digiglobe or whomever) are copyrighting 
is the maps. Not the pixels.

How creative do you have to be to claim ownership? Much of our data 
comes from somewhere else, for example, digitizing off of a paper map or 
scraping it off a website. You'd think that you'd have to create a 
completely new work to claim copyright but you don't. Under US law, if 
you add sufficient value to the derivation then you induce a transferral 
of ownership from the originator to yourself. (It makes me wonder if one 
creates an elaborate info window on Google Maps then could he/she lay 
claim to the data underneath the geolocation? Probably.) It's unclear, 
though, where that threshold for transferral is.

Finally, ownership is not the same as copyright. If you want ownership 
then you have to apply for a copyright. Probably what you mean is does 
Google (or the remote sensing companes) own the map/data or can my 
effort put it into the public domain?

Ultimately, with copyright law, it's an issue of lawyering up. If an 
entity wanted to contest your ownership, whether or not it has a case, 
it can.

BTW, the last word on copyright law (US, Canada and elsewhere) is 
Michael Geist, at the U Ottawa. The last word on copyright law for 
spatial data and output is Harlan Onsrud, at U Maine Orono.

Renee

Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:33:49PM -0800, Mano Marks wrote:
>   
>> Some pertainent questions:
>>
>> What exactly are you creating? A KML file? Your own tiles? A list of
>> Lat/Long POIs? How was the list created?
>>
>> >From a Goog perspective:
>>
>> Say you create a KML file using Google Earth or use Google My Maps to
>> drop down points. Who owns that? You do.
>>     
>
> Mano,
>
> I posed some questions in
> http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/#comments that
> went unanswered on exactly this topic. Specifically, "If I'm using
> satellite imagery from Google to create my data, who owns it?" You say
> if you're 'dropping down points' -- you do. But Ed says that only
> applies if you're dropping down points based on something that you
> already knew -- so you can't drop points at, for example, intersections,
> and say "It's mine".
>
> Additionally ,does the "dropping down points" extend to "dropping down
> lines"? What happens when those lines are traced from something visible
> in the satellite imagery? What happens when those lines are from
> something traced from the Street Maps?
>
> I can't imagine the statement from Google is anything so simple as "If
> you create a KML file using Google Maps data inside Google My Maps, you
> own the data."
>
> Regards,
>   


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