The general scepticism here I think is well placed, semantic based systems always demo well, the key to more widespread adoption is the automation of the still largely manual creation of ontological relationships. But one day I'm sure this will work, after-all TBL is usually right.

ed

On 4 May 2009, at 06:59, R E Sieber wrote:

Because I do geospatial ontologies, I'm skeptical of anything that attempts to automate semantics. However, ontologies are incredibly top-heavy in design. Anything that could marshall user generated content in the structuring of semantics, even if it's mostly vaporware, could represent an advance.

I also do some cyberinfrastructure stuff and ain't nothing that's going to reach into private databases, particularly spatial ones, without tons of standardization, web services that sit on top of each, schema, etc. Still if they had something better than something like D2R, I'd be very happy.

Renee

Andrew Johnson wrote:
We'll see if this ends up being another Cuil, or another useful tool. Either way, it's certainly not going to live up to the hype or have very far-reaching effects.

There's nothing new about curating a big set of data and wrapping a nice GUI around it, not even if you write the whole thing in Mathematica. The talking heads are going bonkers over it, but the tech community, the actual programmers and engineers, is a mix of wait-and-see, and outright scorn.

How could a piece of vaporware called a Knowledge Computation Engine really do anything besides hiss and steam?

Andrew



On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:17 PM, R E Sieber <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> wrote:

   Holy @#%$^! I want the API - Renee

   (Note how much of this is about semantic searches of geography.)

   May 3, 2009
   
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/an-invention-that-could-change-the-internet-for-ever-1678109.html

   An invention that could change the internet for ever
   Revolutionary new web software could put giants such as Google in
the shade when it comes out later this month. Andrew Johnson reports

   The biggest internet revolution for a generation will be unveiled
   this month with the launch of software that will understand
   questions and give specific, tailored answers in a way that the
   web has never managed before.

   The new system, Wolfram Alpha, showcased at Harvard University in
   the US last week, takes the first step towards what many consider
   to be the internet's Holy Grail – a global store of information
   that understands and responds to ordinary language in the same way
   a person does.

   Although the system is still new, it has already produced massive
   interest and excitement among technology pundits and internet
   watchers.

   Computer experts believe the new search engine will be an
   evolutionary leap in the development of the internet. Nova
   Spivack, an internet and computer expert, said that Wolfram Alpha
   could prove just as important as Google. "It is really impressive
   and significant," he wrote. "In fact it may be as important for
   the web (and the world) as Google, but for a different purpose.

   Tom Simpson, of the blog Convergenceofeverything.com, said: "What
   are the wider implications exactly? A new paradigm for using
   computers and the web? Probably. Emerging artificial intelligence
   and a step towards a self-organising internet? Possibly... I think
   this could be big."

   Wolfram Alpha will not only give a straight answer to questions
   such as "how high is Mount Everest?", but it will also produce a
   neat page of related information – all properly sourced – such as
   geographical location and nearby towns, and other mountains,
   complete with graphs and charts.

   The real innovation, however, is in its ability to work things out
   "on the fly", according to its British inventor, Dr Stephen
   Wolfram. If you ask it to compare the height of Mount Everest to
   the length of the Golden Gate Bridge, it will tell you. Or ask
   what the weather was like in London on the day John F Kennedy was
   assassinated, it will cross-check and provide the answer. Ask it
   about D sharp major, it will play the scale. Type in "10 flips for
   four heads" and it will guess that you need to know the
   probability of coin-tossing. If you want to know when the next
   solar eclipse over Chicago is, or the exact current location of
   the International Space Station, it can work it out.

   Dr Wolfram, an award-winning physicist who is based in America,
   added that the information is "curated", meaning it is assessed
   first by experts. This means that the weaknesses of sites such as
   Wikipedia, where doubts are cast on the information because anyone
   can contribute, are taken out. It is based on his best-selling
   Mathematica software, a standard tool for scientists, engineers
   and academics for crunching complex maths.

   "I've wanted to make the knowledge we've accumulated in our
   civilisation computable," he said last week. "I was not sure it
   was possible. I'm a little surprised it worked out so well."

   Dr Wolfram, 49, who was educated at Eton and had completed his PhD
   in particle physics by the time he was 20, added that the launch
   of Wolfram Alpha later this month would be just the beginning of
   the project.

   "It will understand what you are talking about," he said. "We are
   just at the beginning. I think we've got a reasonable start on 90
   per cent of the shelves in a typical reference library."

   The engine, which will be free to use, works by drawing on the
   knowledge on the internet, as well as private databases. Dr
   Wolfram said he expected that about 1,000 people would be needed
   to keep its databases updated with the latest discoveries and
   information.

   He also added that he would not go down the road of storing
   information on ordinary people, although he was aware that others
   might use the technology to do so.

   Wolfram Alpha has been designed with professionals and academics
   in mind, so its grasp of popular culture is, at the moment,
   comparatively poor. The term "50 Cent" caused "absolute horror" in
   tests, for example, because it confused a discussion on currency
   with the American rap artist. For this reason alone it is unlikely
   to provide an immediate threat to Google, which is working on a
   similar type of search engine, a version of which it launched last
   week.

   "We have a certain amount of popular culture information," Dr
   Wolfram said. "In some senses popular culture information is much
   more shallowly computable, so we can find out who's related to who
   and how tall people are. I fully expect we will have lots of
   popular culture information. There are linguistic horrors because
   if you put in books and music a lot of the names clash with other
   concepts."

   He added that to help with that Wolfram Alpha would be using
   Wikipedia's popularity index to decide what users were likely to
   be interested in.

   With Google now one of the world's top brands, worth $100bn,
   Wolfram Alpha has the potential to become one of the biggest names
   on the planet.

   Dr Wolfram, however, did not rule out working with Google in the
   future, as well as Wikipedia. "We're working to partner with all
   possible organisations that make sense," he said. "Search,
   narrative, news are complementary to what we have. Hopefully there
   will be some great synergies."

   What the experts say

   "For those of us tired of hundreds of pages of results that do not
   really have a lot to do with what we are trying to find out,
   Wolfram Alpha may be what we have been waiting for."

   Michael W Jones, Tech.blorge.com <http://Tech.blorge.com>

   "If it is not gobbled up by one of the industry superpowers, his
   company may well grow to become one of them in a small number of
   years, with most of us setting our default browser to be Wolfram
   Alpha."

   Doug Lenat, Semanticuniverse.com

   "It's like plugging into an electric brain."

   Matt Marshall, Venturebeat.com

   "This is like a Holy Grail... the ability to look inside data
sources that can't easily be crawled and provide answers from them."

   Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of searchengineland.com
   <http://searchengineland.com>

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