On 6 May 2009, at 15:30, R E Sieber wrote:

Well someone's believing in it enough to give it enormous publicity and, I'm guessing, wads of cash.


Er no, the Wolfram thing is by no stretch of the imagination the web of data, it's a big datastore they own and run.



Renee

SteveC wrote:

On 4 May 2009, at 08:44, Ed Parsons wrote:

The general scepticism here I think is well placed, semantic based systems always demo well, the key to more widespread adoption is the automation of the still largely manual creation of ontological relationships. But one day I'm sure this will work, after-all TBL is usually right.

Come on, nobody believes the web of data stuff anymore surely. If they did someone would do something like RDF but actually usable and easily implementable in actual HTML.


ed

On 4 May 2009, at 06:59, R E Sieber wrote:

Because I do geospatial ontologies, I'm skeptical of anything that attempts to automate semantics. However, ontologies are incredibly top-heavy in design. Anything that could marshall user generated content in the structuring of semantics, even if it's mostly vaporware, could represent an advance.

I also do some cyberinfrastructure stuff and ain't nothing that's going to reach into private databases, particularly spatial ones, without tons of standardization, web services that sit on top of each, schema, etc. Still if they had something better than something like D2R, I'd be very happy.

Renee

Andrew Johnson wrote:
We'll see if this ends up being another Cuil, or another useful tool. Either way, it's certainly not going to live up to the hype or have very far-reaching effects.

There's nothing new about curating a big set of data and wrapping a nice GUI around it, not even if you write the whole thing in Mathematica. The talking heads are going bonkers over it, but the tech community, the actual programmers and engineers, is a mix of wait-and-see, and outright scorn.

How could a piece of vaporware called a Knowledge Computation Engine really do anything besides hiss and steam?

Andrew



On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:17 PM, R E Sieber <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> wrote:

 Holy @#%$^! I want the API - Renee

 (Note how much of this is about semantic searches of geography.)

 May 3, 2009
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/an-invention-that-could-change-the-internet-for-ever-1678109.html

 An invention that could change the internet for ever
 Revolutionary new web software could put giants such as Google in
the shade when it comes out later this month. Andrew Johnson reports

 The biggest internet revolution for a generation will be unveiled
 this month with the launch of software that will understand
 questions and give specific, tailored answers in a way that the
 web has never managed before.

 The new system, Wolfram Alpha, showcased at Harvard University in
 the US last week, takes the first step towards what many consider
 to be the internet's Holy Grail – a global store of information
that understands and responds to ordinary language in the same way
 a person does.

 Although the system is still new, it has already produced massive
 interest and excitement among technology pundits and internet
 watchers.

 Computer experts believe the new search engine will be an
 evolutionary leap in the development of the internet. Nova
 Spivack, an internet and computer expert, said that Wolfram Alpha
 could prove just as important as Google. "It is really impressive
 and significant," he wrote. "In fact it may be as important for
 the web (and the world) as Google, but for a different purpose.

 Tom Simpson, of the blog Convergenceofeverything.com, said: "What
 are the wider implications exactly? A new paradigm for using
 computers and the web? Probably. Emerging artificial intelligence
and a step towards a self-organising internet? Possibly... I think
 this could be big."

 Wolfram Alpha will not only give a straight answer to questions
 such as "how high is Mount Everest?", but it will also produce a
 neat page of related information – all properly sourced – such as
 geographical location and nearby towns, and other mountains,
 complete with graphs and charts.

The real innovation, however, is in its ability to work things out
 "on the fly", according to its British inventor, Dr Stephen
 Wolfram. If you ask it to compare the height of Mount Everest to
 the length of the Golden Gate Bridge, it will tell you. Or ask
 what the weather was like in London on the day John F Kennedy was
 assassinated, it will cross-check and provide the answer. Ask it
about D sharp major, it will play the scale. Type in "10 flips for
 four heads" and it will guess that you need to know the
 probability of coin-tossing. If you want to know when the next
 solar eclipse over Chicago is, or the exact current location of
 the International Space Station, it can work it out.

 Dr Wolfram, an award-winning physicist who is based in America,
 added that the information is "curated", meaning it is assessed
 first by experts. This means that the weaknesses of sites such as
Wikipedia, where doubts are cast on the information because anyone
 can contribute, are taken out. It is based on his best-selling
 Mathematica software, a standard tool for scientists, engineers
 and academics for crunching complex maths.

 "I've wanted to make the knowledge we've accumulated in our
 civilisation computable," he said last week. "I was not sure it
 was possible. I'm a little surprised it worked out so well."

Dr Wolfram, 49, who was educated at Eton and had completed his PhD
 in particle physics by the time he was 20, added that the launch
 of Wolfram Alpha later this month would be just the beginning of
 the project.

 "It will understand what you are talking about," he said. "We are
 just at the beginning. I think we've got a reasonable start on 90
 per cent of the shelves in a typical reference library."

 The engine, which will be free to use, works by drawing on the
 knowledge on the internet, as well as private databases. Dr
 Wolfram said he expected that about 1,000 people would be needed
 to keep its databases updated with the latest discoveries and
 information.

 He also added that he would not go down the road of storing
 information on ordinary people, although he was aware that others
 might use the technology to do so.

 Wolfram Alpha has been designed with professionals and academics
 in mind, so its grasp of popular culture is, at the moment,
comparatively poor. The term "50 Cent" caused "absolute horror" in
 tests, for example, because it confused a discussion on currency
with the American rap artist. For this reason alone it is unlikely
 to provide an immediate threat to Google, which is working on a
similar type of search engine, a version of which it launched last
 week.

 "We have a certain amount of popular culture information," Dr
 Wolfram said. "In some senses popular culture information is much
more shallowly computable, so we can find out who's related to who
 and how tall people are. I fully expect we will have lots of
 popular culture information. There are linguistic horrors because
 if you put in books and music a lot of the names clash with other
 concepts."

 He added that to help with that Wolfram Alpha would be using
 Wikipedia's popularity index to decide what users were likely to
 be interested in.

 With Google now one of the world's top brands, worth $100bn,
Wolfram Alpha has the potential to become one of the biggest names
 on the planet.

 Dr Wolfram, however, did not rule out working with Google in the
 future, as well as Wikipedia. "We're working to partner with all
 possible organisations that make sense," he said. "Search,
narrative, news are complementary to what we have. Hopefully there
 will be some great synergies."

 What the experts say

"For those of us tired of hundreds of pages of results that do not
 really have a lot to do with what we are trying to find out,
 Wolfram Alpha may be what we have been waiting for."

 Michael W Jones, Tech.blorge.com <http://Tech.blorge.com>

 "If it is not gobbled up by one of the industry superpowers, his
 company may well grow to become one of them in a small number of
 years, with most of us setting our default browser to be Wolfram
 Alpha."

 Doug Lenat, Semanticuniverse.com

 "It's like plugging into an electric brain."

 Matt Marshall, Venturebeat.com

 "This is like a Holy Grail... the ability to look inside data
sources that can't easily be crawled and provide answers from them."

 Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of searchengineland.com
 <http://searchengineland.com>

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