Well someone's believing in it enough to give it enormous publicity and, I'm guessing, wads of cash.

Renee

SteveC wrote:

On 4 May 2009, at 08:44, Ed Parsons wrote:

The general scepticism here I think is well placed, semantic based systems always demo well, the key to more widespread adoption is the automation of the still largely manual creation of ontological relationships. But one day I'm sure this will work, after-all TBL is usually right.

Come on, nobody believes the web of data stuff anymore surely. If they did someone would do something like RDF but actually usable and easily implementable in actual HTML.


ed

On 4 May 2009, at 06:59, R E Sieber wrote:

Because I do geospatial ontologies, I'm skeptical of anything that attempts to automate semantics. However, ontologies are incredibly top-heavy in design. Anything that could marshall user generated content in the structuring of semantics, even if it's mostly vaporware, could represent an advance.

I also do some cyberinfrastructure stuff and ain't nothing that's going to reach into private databases, particularly spatial ones, without tons of standardization, web services that sit on top of each, schema, etc. Still if they had something better than something like D2R, I'd be very happy.

Renee

Andrew Johnson wrote:
We'll see if this ends up being another Cuil, or another useful tool. Either way, it's certainly not going to live up to the hype or have very far-reaching effects.

There's nothing new about curating a big set of data and wrapping a nice GUI around it, not even if you write the whole thing in Mathematica. The talking heads are going bonkers over it, but the tech community, the actual programmers and engineers, is a mix of wait-and-see, and outright scorn.

How could a piece of vaporware called a Knowledge Computation Engine really do anything besides hiss and steam?

Andrew



On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:17 PM, R E Sieber <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

  Holy @#%$^! I want the API - Renee

  (Note how much of this is about semantic searches of geography.)

  May 3, 2009
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/an-invention-that-could-change-the-internet-for-ever-1678109.html

  An invention that could change the internet for ever
  Revolutionary new web software could put giants such as Google in
  the shade when it comes out later this month. Andrew Johnson reports

  The biggest internet revolution for a generation will be unveiled
  this month with the launch of software that will understand
  questions and give specific, tailored answers in a way that the
  web has never managed before.

  The new system, Wolfram Alpha, showcased at Harvard University in
  the US last week, takes the first step towards what many consider
  to be the internet's Holy Grail – a global store of information
  that understands and responds to ordinary language in the same way
  a person does.

  Although the system is still new, it has already produced massive
  interest and excitement among technology pundits and internet
  watchers.

  Computer experts believe the new search engine will be an
  evolutionary leap in the development of the internet. Nova
  Spivack, an internet and computer expert, said that Wolfram Alpha
  could prove just as important as Google. "It is really impressive
  and significant," he wrote. "In fact it may be as important for
  the web (and the world) as Google, but for a different purpose.

  Tom Simpson, of the blog Convergenceofeverything.com, said: "What
  are the wider implications exactly? A new paradigm for using
  computers and the web? Probably. Emerging artificial intelligence
  and a step towards a self-organising internet? Possibly... I think
  this could be big."

  Wolfram Alpha will not only give a straight answer to questions
  such as "how high is Mount Everest?", but it will also produce a
  neat page of related information – all properly sourced – such as
  geographical location and nearby towns, and other mountains,
  complete with graphs and charts.

  The real innovation, however, is in its ability to work things out
  "on the fly", according to its British inventor, Dr Stephen
  Wolfram. If you ask it to compare the height of Mount Everest to
  the length of the Golden Gate Bridge, it will tell you. Or ask
  what the weather was like in London on the day John F Kennedy was
  assassinated, it will cross-check and provide the answer. Ask it
  about D sharp major, it will play the scale. Type in "10 flips for
  four heads" and it will guess that you need to know the
  probability of coin-tossing. If you want to know when the next
  solar eclipse over Chicago is, or the exact current location of
  the International Space Station, it can work it out.

  Dr Wolfram, an award-winning physicist who is based in America,
  added that the information is "curated", meaning it is assessed
  first by experts. This means that the weaknesses of sites such as
  Wikipedia, where doubts are cast on the information because anyone
  can contribute, are taken out. It is based on his best-selling
  Mathematica software, a standard tool for scientists, engineers
  and academics for crunching complex maths.

  "I've wanted to make the knowledge we've accumulated in our
  civilisation computable," he said last week. "I was not sure it
  was possible. I'm a little surprised it worked out so well."

  Dr Wolfram, 49, who was educated at Eton and had completed his PhD
  in particle physics by the time he was 20, added that the launch
  of Wolfram Alpha later this month would be just the beginning of
  the project.

  "It will understand what you are talking about," he said. "We are
  just at the beginning. I think we've got a reasonable start on 90
  per cent of the shelves in a typical reference library."

  The engine, which will be free to use, works by drawing on the
  knowledge on the internet, as well as private databases. Dr
  Wolfram said he expected that about 1,000 people would be needed
  to keep its databases updated with the latest discoveries and
  information.

  He also added that he would not go down the road of storing
  information on ordinary people, although he was aware that others
  might use the technology to do so.

  Wolfram Alpha has been designed with professionals and academics
  in mind, so its grasp of popular culture is, at the moment,
  comparatively poor. The term "50 Cent" caused "absolute horror" in
  tests, for example, because it confused a discussion on currency
  with the American rap artist. For this reason alone it is unlikely
  to provide an immediate threat to Google, which is working on a
  similar type of search engine, a version of which it launched last
  week.

  "We have a certain amount of popular culture information," Dr
  Wolfram said. "In some senses popular culture information is much
  more shallowly computable, so we can find out who's related to who
  and how tall people are. I fully expect we will have lots of
  popular culture information. There are linguistic horrors because
  if you put in books and music a lot of the names clash with other
  concepts."

  He added that to help with that Wolfram Alpha would be using
  Wikipedia's popularity index to decide what users were likely to
  be interested in.

  With Google now one of the world's top brands, worth $100bn,
  Wolfram Alpha has the potential to become one of the biggest names
  on the planet.

  Dr Wolfram, however, did not rule out working with Google in the
  future, as well as Wikipedia. "We're working to partner with all
  possible organisations that make sense," he said. "Search,
  narrative, news are complementary to what we have. Hopefully there
  will be some great synergies."

  What the experts say

  "For those of us tired of hundreds of pages of results that do not
  really have a lot to do with what we are trying to find out,
  Wolfram Alpha may be what we have been waiting for."

  Michael W Jones, Tech.blorge.com <http://Tech.blorge.com>

  "If it is not gobbled up by one of the industry superpowers, his
  company may well grow to become one of them in a small number of
  years, with most of us setting our default browser to be Wolfram
  Alpha."

  Doug Lenat, Semanticuniverse.com

  "It's like plugging into an electric brain."

  Matt Marshall, Venturebeat.com

  "This is like a Holy Grail... the ability to look inside data
  sources that can't easily be crawled and provide answers from them."

  Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of searchengineland.com
  <http://searchengineland.com>

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