Stefan Keller wrote:
To me the problem is 1. Bad precision and 2. Lack of data.
Some quick thoughts on lack of interest on geowanking based on the two
problems you mention above:
1."Bad Precision
We can safely anticipate precise positioning is on the way to being solved,
at least for outdoor urban apps. Google, Microsoft and Nokia have all
announced they are work on precise positioning of handsets, by matching
significant points in images with a stored datablase of 3D points. A few
weeks ago, at the GML Geoweb conference in Vancouver, Michael Jones, from
Google showed a 3D model google guys mashed up from flickr images using
something like MS photosynth. Aside from Earthmine, which I already
mentioned, I know of several unnanced projects to simial things, with much
greater precision.
In any case, A lot of AR will work fine simply using a GPS and compass.
2. "Lack of Data"
What's new?! In 2003 when Joshua Schachter launched geowanking, there was
almost no geocoded web data, aside from his home grown GeoURL. That didn't
stop anyone on this list from experimenting. About the same time Chris Goad,
Jo Walsh, Dan Brickley and others created a geo RDF, ( IFTF.org) Chris
implemented a working demo for us, at IFTF.org of geoRDF web annotations
with integrated vector shapefiles from the National Park Service. This
demo, in '03 or '04 was the first full blown demo of a geospatial web.
Since then, People on the Geowanking list including, Mikel Maron, Andrew
Turner, Alan Doyle, Raj Sing, Sean Gillies, Chris Schmidt, Carl Reed, Ron
lake and others, designed and implemented GeoRSS which has resulted in
countless geocoded points, and sincel then, as we all know google has
promulgated KML which has resulted in milions more geocoded points.
Summary: It's time to start again. We need a simple way of geocoding
augmented reality, and many ways of processing searching and and viewing
geo AR.
Historically, the geowanking community, has been the crucible of innovation
for a geospatial web. ( see above) Maybe five years ago, everyone was out
on the street, and hungry enough to build a totally new ways to experience
spatial data., and maybe now everyone is gainfully employed and too
distracted to launch a second perhaps even more interesting spatial web,
viewable throught the viewfinders of our phones, and later on, perhaps in
eyeglasses. If that's the case, then we can all just sit back and let
google build the whole thing without us. Clearly their latest UI
implementations in Streetview are part way there.
see:
http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/07/zoom-photo-navigation-in-street-view.html
~ Mike
We experimented with indoor enviromnents based on our Indoor WPS
approach and server (see http://gis.hsr.ch/wiki/IndoorWPS). These are
some screenshots of an Android prototype:
http://dev.ifs.hsr.ch/indoorguide4android/wiki/WebDocu .
So according to Mikes explanatory selection my answer is:
(X) d. Already into AR 3dgeo, not saying much about what we're doing
until it's ready.
Yours, Stefan
P.S. BTW I also was expecting bit more of response about my recent
thread about "Better auto-discovery in the Geo-Web through "see" and
"see also" links?" since I thought geo-search technology could be of
interest to geowankers. I still did'nt give up.
2009/8/4 Mike Liebhold <[email protected]>:
wow! I didn't expect many replies from busy people to my questions
about
handheld viewfinder AR views of 3d geodata, but given the staggering
potential for AR as a radical new kind of mapping is mind-boggling, I am
a
bit surprised that in the 24 hours of my post, this normally verbose
community has nothing to say. Aside from a mild suggestion by Sean
Gillies
of "democratizated service-oriented architectures of curation" no one
else
offered any thoughts at all about viewfinder AR views of 3d geodata.
We can only guess why the silence:
( ) a. Mostly into map views of geodata, not very interested in
viewfinder
AR 3d geo.
( ) b. AR 3dgeo is interesting, but haven't thought much about it.
( ) c. Have some ideas about AR 3dgeo, looking into it, waiting for apis,
to
experiment
( ) d. Already into AR 3dgeo, not saying much about what we're doing
until
it's ready.
( ) e. Have some ideas a bout AR 3dgeo, but am too fr*&#n busy to
respond
to random listserv e-mails :-)
whatever. AR looks like a fun, open frontier in both geoscience and
geohacking, let's hope the foss gang gets there before goog & apple own
it.
- Mike
Mike Liebhold wrote:
This is a humble request for geowanker mappers and geocoding web artists
alike to join me to quiet our 2d cartographic minds for a minute to
engage
in a little thought experiment about handheld views of 3d geodata:
Context: The realtime tweetsphere http://bit.ly/rZncR and
youtubesphere
http://bit.ly/UwQ3u are alive with news of handheld AR, [agumented
reality] capabilities & apps, and services. Besides layar and wikitude
on
android, there are already a number cool hacks for jailbroken iPhones,
and
veiled confirmations from apple that the next rev. of the iphone os dev
release for the 3gs will support AR app integration of gps, compass, and
graphic overlay of video cam views. The viewfinder is becoming a new AR
3d
web browser.
AR is here, if not today, tomorrow, but i suspect our geosphere is not
ready.
questions for fellow geowankers:
1. What kind of geodata and locative media will be most useful or fun to
see geopositioned in 3d in our handheld viewfinders.
e.g. floating labels of things, animated directions, emergency alerts,
news and ads to filter, cartoon games, visible clouds of wifi signal
strength, visible sensor net readings of air quality.. visible entry
into
another colored polygon
of cartographic meaning, etc.
2. How will we search, view, create, and serve open 3d AR geodata?
3. What is the prospective FOSS stack for 3dAR geoservices?
e.g. starting at the top with a 3D firefox or open layers equivelant
client down to a cloudwide RESTful deep geocoded web of linked 3D
geodata?
Just curious, what people are thinking these days . . .
Mike
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