When the hardware is good enough to block out billboards, everyone will go AR.
Cheers, Tom Longson (nym) ------------------------------ http://tomlongson.com On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Stefan Keller<[email protected]> wrote: > Let me explain what I mean by lack of data: > > 1. If you do WiFi positioning, you need several fingerprints (i.e. > lists of access points) in order to get enough information (and > accurracy): Who's going to stumble that for whole public buildings and > cities? (I'm going to launch a crowd sourcing approach with my > IndoorWPS). > > 2. Picture database: I've experimented with image recognition similar > to www.kooaba.com: That needs lots of pictures and technology is far > away from consumer market. > > 3. Existing data like OpenStreetMap or Wikipedia (see > www.mobilizy.com/wikitude.php) don't have yet really compelling data > for AR. > > -S. > > P.S. Here's another app with an AR Identity idea: http://bit.ly/ZbZYO > - quite frightening to some more privacy oriented people. > > > 2009/8/12 Tom Longson (nym) <[email protected]>: >> I don't agree with the lack of data argument. There are many ways to >> use existing data to create compelling AR. >> >> Precision though, still is such a big limiting factor. How can I build >> an app that does contextual overlays that are anything but based on >> image processing? Locative technology has yet to make the next big >> leap. It's good for navigating you to a restaurant, but useless for >> navigating you to a table. That's the big difference in my mind. >> >> Cheers, >> Tom Longson (nym) >> ------------------------------ >> http://tomlongson.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Mike Liebhold<[email protected]> wrote: >>> Stefan Keller wrote: >>>> >>>> To me the problem is 1. Bad precision and 2. Lack of data. >>>> >>> >>> Some quick thoughts on lack of interest on geowanking based on the two >>> problems you mention above: >>> >>> 1."Bad Precision >>> >>> We can safely anticipate precise positioning is on the way to being solved, >>> at least for outdoor urban apps. Google, Microsoft and Nokia have all >>> announced they are work on precise positioning of handsets, by matching >>> significant points in images with a stored datablase of 3D points. A few >>> weeks ago, at the GML Geoweb conference in Vancouver, Michael Jones, from >>> Google showed a 3D model google guys mashed up from flickr images using >>> something like MS photosynth. Aside from Earthmine, which I already >>> mentioned, I know of several unnanced projects to simial things, with much >>> greater precision. >>> >>> In any case, A lot of AR will work fine simply using a GPS and compass. >>> >>> 2. "Lack of Data" >>> >>> What's new?! In 2003 when Joshua Schachter launched geowanking, there was >>> almost no geocoded web data, aside from his home grown GeoURL. That didn't >>> stop anyone on this list from experimenting. About the same time Chris Goad, >>> Jo Walsh, Dan Brickley and others created a geo RDF, ( IFTF.org) Chris >>> implemented a working demo for us, at IFTF.org of geoRDF web annotations >>> with integrated vector shapefiles from the National Park Service. This >>> demo, in '03 or '04 was the first full blown demo of a geospatial web. >>> >>> Since then, People on the Geowanking list including, Mikel Maron, Andrew >>> Turner, Alan Doyle, Raj Sing, Sean Gillies, Chris Schmidt, Carl Reed, Ron >>> lake and others, designed and implemented GeoRSS which has resulted in >>> countless geocoded points, and sincel then, as we all know google has >>> promulgated KML which has resulted in milions more geocoded points. >>> >>> Summary: It's time to start again. We need a simple way of geocoding >>> augmented reality, and many ways of processing searching and and viewing >>> geo AR. >>> >>> Historically, the geowanking community, has been the crucible of innovation >>> for a geospatial web. ( see above) Maybe five years ago, everyone was out >>> on the street, and hungry enough to build a totally new ways to experience >>> spatial data., and maybe now everyone is gainfully employed and too >>> distracted to launch a second perhaps even more interesting spatial web, >>> viewable throught the viewfinders of our phones, and later on, perhaps in >>> eyeglasses. If that's the case, then we can all just sit back and let >>> google build the whole thing without us. Clearly their latest UI >>> implementations in Streetview are part way there. >>> see: >>> http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/07/zoom-photo-navigation-in-street-view.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ~ Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> We experimented with indoor enviromnents based on our Indoor WPS >>>> approach and server (see http://gis.hsr.ch/wiki/IndoorWPS). These are >>>> some screenshots of an Android prototype: >>>> http://dev.ifs.hsr.ch/indoorguide4android/wiki/WebDocu . >>>> >>>> So according to Mikes explanatory selection my answer is: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> (X) d. Already into AR 3dgeo, not saying much about what we're doing >>>>> until it's ready. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yours, Stefan >>>> >>>> P.S. BTW I also was expecting bit more of response about my recent >>>> thread about "Better auto-discovery in the Geo-Web through "see" and >>>> "see also" links?" since I thought geo-search technology could be of >>>> interest to geowankers. I still did'nt give up. >>>> >>>> 2009/8/4 Mike Liebhold <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> wow! I didn't expect many replies from busy people to my questions >>>>> about >>>>> handheld viewfinder AR views of 3d geodata, but given the staggering >>>>> potential for AR as a radical new kind of mapping is mind-boggling, I am >>>>> a >>>>> bit surprised that in the 24 hours of my post, this normally verbose >>>>> community has nothing to say. Aside from a mild suggestion by Sean >>>>> Gillies >>>>> of "democratizated service-oriented architectures of curation" no one >>>>> else >>>>> offered any thoughts at all about viewfinder AR views of 3d geodata. >>>>> >>>>> We can only guess why the silence: >>>>> >>>>> ( ) a. Mostly into map views of geodata, not very interested in >>>>> viewfinder >>>>> AR 3d geo. >>>>> >>>>> ( ) b. AR 3dgeo is interesting, but haven't thought much about it. >>>>> >>>>> ( ) c. Have some ideas about AR 3dgeo, looking into it, waiting for apis, >>>>> to >>>>> experiment >>>>> >>>>> ( ) d. Already into AR 3dgeo, not saying much about what we're doing >>>>> until >>>>> it's ready. >>>>> >>>>> ( ) e. Have some ideas a bout AR 3dgeo, but am too fr*&#n busy to >>>>> respond >>>>> to random listserv e-mails :-) >>>>> >>>>> whatever. AR looks like a fun, open frontier in both geoscience and >>>>> geohacking, let's hope the foss gang gets there before goog & apple own >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> - Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike Liebhold wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a humble request for geowanker mappers and geocoding web artists >>>>>> alike to join me to quiet our 2d cartographic minds for a minute to >>>>>> engage >>>>>> in a little thought experiment about handheld views of 3d geodata: >>>>>> >>>>>> Context: The realtime tweetsphere http://bit.ly/rZncR and >>>>>> youtubesphere >>>>>> http://bit.ly/UwQ3u are alive with news of handheld AR, [agumented >>>>>> reality] capabilities & apps, and services. Besides layar and wikitude >>>>>> on >>>>>> android, there are already a number cool hacks for jailbroken iPhones, >>>>>> and >>>>>> veiled confirmations from apple that the next rev. of the iphone os dev >>>>>> release for the 3gs will support AR app integration of gps, compass, and >>>>>> graphic overlay of video cam views. The viewfinder is becoming a new AR >>>>>> 3d >>>>>> web browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> AR is here, if not today, tomorrow, but i suspect our geosphere is not >>>>>> ready. >>>>>> >>>>>> questions for fellow geowankers: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. What kind of geodata and locative media will be most useful or fun to >>>>>> see geopositioned in 3d in our handheld viewfinders. >>>>>> >>>>>> e.g. floating labels of things, animated directions, emergency alerts, >>>>>> news and ads to filter, cartoon games, visible clouds of wifi signal >>>>>> strength, visible sensor net readings of air quality.. visible entry >>>>>> into >>>>>> another colored polygon >>>>>> of cartographic meaning, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. How will we search, view, create, and serve open 3d AR geodata? >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. What is the prospective FOSS stack for 3dAR geoservices? >>>>>> >>>>>> e.g. starting at the top with a 3D firefox or open layers equivelant >>>>>> client down to a cloudwide RESTful deep geocoded web of linked 3D >>>>>> geodata? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just curious, what people are thinking these days . . . >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Geowanking mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Geowanking mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Geowanking mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list [email protected] http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org
