David Neary wrote:

Hi,

Daniel Rogers wrote:

I like the GUADEC idea technically. From a personal, selfish, un-gimp-like, I want to see the world point of view, London, Lyon,
and Dublin have been on my list of places to see for quite some time. However, I think GAUDEC, especially since they are excited to have us and are sound willing to accomadate our needs, is better
for us as a project.


London's easy to get to, Dublin's nothing special, and why on earth would you want to come to Lyon before (say) Prague, Paris, Amsterdam,
or half a dozen other cities around Europe? :)

Who says those are not on my list? :-P


I am not sure if there are going to be fund raising issues, per say. We are probably one of a relativly small set of projects going
that don't have any regular funding, so I am willing to wager that
the funding will be no more trouble for us that it is normally.


Given that GNOME is a GNU project, and in past years the FSF has been
 our biggest contributor for conferences, I can foresee problems.


Ahh, but my point is that the FSF doesn't need to support these groups. They have their own corporate support. But this is moot. The only real choice is to start asking for support and seeing what happens.


Also, as far as volunteers go, obviously I am not the best person to be planning anything happening in Europe (at the very least my sleep schedule couldn't handle it). However, if you have anything
you would like or can be delagated to me, please ask.


It would be really cool if you would be the money man - the man that
 we could have the checks made out to. And if you could muscle some
of those Comdex contacts, and work US companies (particularly
Hollywood, where we know teh GIMP is used a lot), that would be
brilliant.

Sure sure sure. I already volunteered to be the money person so that is good. I checked with the lawyer today and it seems that she would be ready to give me all the information I need to fill the paperwork to start The Gimp Foundation out myself after Thanksgiving. If I ask her help in filling out the paperwork it could potentially take much longer, so I will likely fill it out myself. The Gimp Foundation should exist soon.

As far as sniffing around Hollywood goes that is really Robin Rowe's
territory IMO. I had a conversation with him recently, trying to
encourage our projects to work together, and because I didn't understand
where he was comming from, and because it was email, I ended up sounding arrogant and condesending (it just became an argument, really). At this point, I simply don't want to step on his toes.


I am also deeply concerned about what several sections of the movie
industry think about open source and the GIMP in particular.  If it is
anything like what Robin Rowe thinks we are, then I will likely just be
laughed at for having the nerve to knock on their door.  I
am afriad that if I try and go to hollywood without a good technical
incentive and a convincing argument as to why they should support the
gimp, I will do more harm that good for our relations by reinforcing
whatever negative opinion they have about us.

This is really all just speculation based on two or three points of
reference I have into that industry.  If I actually knew someone in
Hollywood that supported the gimp (or anyone in Hollywood, really), an
insider, as it were, there I would feel like I have a safe place to step
into that arena.

I am waiting until we have color management, high bit depths, an awesome
compositing engine, and a frame manager before really trying anything
over there. This would give me convincing technical achievements with
which to approach Hollywood.  All but the last is being worked on, while
the last is not technically challenging.

If anyone thinks I am being too cautious, please speak up.

I should really give a presentation on Gegl there. This would encourage me to get off my ass and write technal white papers discussing the huge about of planning I feel I have put into gegl. This would be good for me, too, as writing down ideas always provides a good oppurtunity to improve on them. Also writing down ideas provides a good chance for people to critizie those ideas, which would also be good.


That's great to hear too. The official call for papers hasn't gone out yet, but the format in previous years has been 30 minute talks and 60 minute talks, people would like to see published proceedings this year, so perhaps a 60 minute presentation might be an idea to get a bit of meat on things?

Hmm, better get started on that then. I think I could fill 60 minutes with details about our compositing engine, color management, and some exciting far-future ideas. How will I know when the call for papers starts?


What are your feelings here?  Do you think there is a chance GAUDEC
 won't work out?


I think there is a chance that we might end up struggling to get everyone there financially. I also think there's a chance that some GIMP people might not like the connotation that GIMP is or might be a
GNOME app. I also think that piggy-backing on a big developers conference is risky, in that the objective of the GimpCon would be to
be 100% into the GIMP for a few days, and with GUADEC going on that
might not be so easy.

This occured to me too, and my thought was, we should do both GUADEC and a GimpCon, but that sounds a little too much to try for this year. (hopefully next year. All we really need is a sugar daddy, which are oh-so-easy to come by).

In other words, I can see why some people might prefer a smaller cosier event. I think that the way our organisation is now, that's asking a lot of a couple of people to organise. The benefits of a big
event are that there is less infrastructure to work on from our point of view. So there are pros and cons :) Personally, I like GUADEC.

Yes, absolutly, sharing the infrastructure seems like a very good reason to go with GUADEC. I like GUADEC too.


--
Dan

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