On 09/01/2010 12:45 PM, yahvuu wrote:
> O Peter, Where Art Thou?
> This is getting nasty quickly.
> On 28.08.2010 20:13, Sven Neumann wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 07:32 +0200, Martin Nordholts wrote:
>>>>> If I want a colour , I should find it on the colour menu . If I
>>>>> want to
>>>>> select layers I should fine the necessary interface elements on the
>>>>> layer menu.
>>>> Sounds reasonable. We could duplicate the menu items from the Dockables
>>>> menu that raise/create those dialogs in the places where they
>>>> belong. So
>>>> we would have "Layers dialog" in the "Image/Layers" menu and the like.
>>>> That's as simple as editing the XML files in the menus sub-directory.
>>>> Perhaps someone wants to come up with a patch...
>>> I don't think we should duplicate any menu items. Having things in two
>>> places tends to cause unnecessary confusion. A user will have to answer
>>> questions like "Why is this menu item in two places? Is it the same menu
>>> item? Does it do the same thing? Which one should I use now?" Having
>>> just one place to do things avoids such ambiguity and mental friction.
>> We do that for a few menu items already and I don't think it has ever
>> caused any problems. Some examples are (and there are many more):
>> Edit->Undo History
>> View->Navigation Window
>> Select->Selection Editor
>> Colors->Info->Histogram
>> Actually I think it's just an oversight that the Layers dialog is
>> missing from the Layers menu. IMO all dialogs should be accessible from
>> the menus where they belong to functionally. The "Dockables" menu is
>> just a place to list all the available dialogs. It should be secondary.
> Another thing to note is that the 'Add Tab' entry from the dockable
> context menu
> provides a list of available dockables as well. I think i can explain
> why this
> additional option for dockable creation does not create much mental
> friction:
> When i'm browsing the 'Layer' menu, i'm thinking of what can be done
> with layers.
> Here is the place to discover the layers dialog -- i can find it here
> even if
> i do not have prior knowledge that a layers dialog exists at all.
> On the other hand, when adding a tab to an existing docbook using the
> 'Add Tab' menu,
> i'm configuring my workspace to better suit the task at hand -- that's a
> different
> kind of process than browsing for layer functionality.
> Windows->Dockable Dialogs is literally in the middle of these two choices.
> Perhaps we can weasel out by proclaiming that this isn't a 'menu' but just
> a list of available dialogs and thus no decision has to be made about which
> menu to use... That is, paraphrasing what Sven said.

Your explanation makes sense, my reasoning was broken. I will try fix 
this for 2.8 (unless, of course, someone does it before me)

  / Martin


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