Zeke Hausfather wrote:

> Fergus: I'll correct the range of modeled slowdowns. Am I correct in
> saying that no model shows a complete shutdown in this century, or
> should I qualify that a bit (e.g. virtually no). 

Well, you can finesse that to taste a bit. Some models show no 
overturning in their pre-industrial equilibrium state, so you can 
correctly but deceptively say that these models predict no overturning 
by the end of the century if you like - they don't predict a decline 
though :-)

No GCM indicates a rapid collapse due to a CO2 increase, but note that 
they also don't (generally) include the effect of Greenland melting. 
However, AIUI you have to add an awful lot of melt water to get a rapid 
shutdown.

Really I'm a bit surprised this dead horse is being flogged so hard - 
but I suppose having got NERC to cough up millions for the RAPID 
project, there would be too much egg on faces if people admitted it was 
already thoroughly debunked with years(?) still to run on the project.

(Not that I'm saying it wasn't worth investigating initially, just that 
there may be more useful things to look at now.)

James

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