So instead of reading the actual papers - the 2007 paper sets the backdrop - you refer me to a quite reasonable discussion by Kyle Swanson on realclimate about the 2009 paper and quote something by someone else.
see Tsonis et al 2007 A new dynamical mechanism for major climate shifts: http://www.nosams.whoi.edu/PDFs/papers/tsonis-grl_newtheoryforclimateshifts.pdf Really, the title says it all The 2009 paper - has the climate recently shifted and the answer is yes. Shifted to what? Fewer and less intense El Nino that is probably associated with cloud changes - but what causes that? Swanson by the way thinks there is a CO2 warming - of about 0.1 degrees C per decade - when chaotic climate shifts are extracted from the record. He suggests that the lack of warming may persist for another decade or 2. I am struggling with the idea of chaos and ordered forcing at the same time - however. And maybe pigs fly. On Feb 8, 11:49 am, Hank Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > On Feb 7, 1:50 pm, Robert Indigo Ellison <[email protected]> > wrote:> Tsonis > > Swanson, K.L. and A.A. Tsonis, 2009? > Seehttp://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/07/warminginterrup... > particularly resp. 133: > > ---excerpt follows--- > > ... Maybe Tsonis was misquoted :-) > > [Response: Tasos is a good scientist and quite reasonable person. I > won't speak for him, but I sense from conversations I've had with him > that he feels that many of his comments were taken out of context, or > otherwise misrepresented. And perhaps he might have phrased things > differently in hindsight. Tasos: if you happy to be reading this, we'd > love to hear from you. --mike] > ------------------ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Global Change ("globalchange") newsgroup. Global Change is a public, moderated venue for discussion of science, technology, economics and policy dimensions of global environmental change. Posts will be admitted to the list if and only if any moderator finds the submission to be constructive and/or interesting, on topic, and not gratuitously rude. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/globalchange
