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In a message dated 2/24/02 1:24:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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>  could be wrong here, but it seems that a large pilot and passenger,
will
>  actually have a c.g. shift to the rear in this nose high attitude.

No, you're not wrong.  But the shift rearward is only relative to an
observer 
on the ground.  The CG of the airplane has not moved one bit relative to
the 
airframe.  In other words, if you draw a side view of the airplane and
mark 
the CG both fore and aft, and "up and down" then rotate the picture, the 
position of the CG within the airframe has not moved.  

The thing that matters is the position of the CG relative to the center of

lift, which is generally expressed as a percentage of Mean Aerodynamic
Chord. 
 Even upside down, this relationship does not change.

Having said that, I guess if there were an aircraft where the CG was very 
high above the wing, and the CG were very close to the center of lift,
then 
raising the nose could conceivably shift the relationship of the two
relative 
to the gravity vector enough to affect the stability of the aircraft, but 
then that's why we have certification limits in the first place.  Such a 
plane would very definitely be loaded outside its envelope.  Bottom line,
in 
a certificated aircraft, loaded within its certification envelope, raising

the nose will not shift the CG far enough to make the plane unstable.
Carry 
this thought a little farther and you can see that if the CG is in that 
relative position (boy, I wish I had a white board...) the wing would lift

and the CG would fall until the plane rotates backward and the nose is
once 
again pointed down and the CG is once again "forward" of the center of
lift.  
Now, once again, after doing a bit of a tail slide, all is right with the 
world.  Eventually, any plane will do that as long as the CG is in the
right 
place to start with.

Clear?  (Yeah, right!)

John

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