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I don't know!!! It's been my experience that most pilots, other than
Ercoupe
pilots, are quite full of shi-!.  In a nose high attitude, all of that
Sh--
will definitely shift rearward, and seriously adversely effect the CG.

Larry
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From: "John Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [COUPERS] More Ercoupe garbage.


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>
> In a message dated 2/24/02 1:24:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> writes:
>
> >  could be wrong here, but it seems that a large pilot and passenger,
will
> >  actually have a c.g. shift to the rear in this nose high attitude.
>
> No, you're not wrong.  But the shift rearward is only relative to an
observer
> on the ground.  The CG of the airplane has not moved one bit relative to
the
> airframe.  In other words, if you draw a side view of the airplane and
mark
> the CG both fore and aft, and "up and down" then rotate the picture, the
> position of the CG within the airframe has not moved.
>
> The thing that matters is the position of the CG relative to the center
of
> lift, which is generally expressed as a percentage of Mean Aerodynamic
Chord.
>  Even upside down, this relationship does not change.
>
> Having said that, I guess if there were an aircraft where the CG was
very
> high above the wing, and the CG were very close to the center of lift,
then
> raising the nose could conceivably shift the relationship of the two
relative
> to the gravity vector enough to affect the stability of the aircraft,
but
> then that's why we have certification limits in the first place.  Such a
> plane would very definitely be loaded outside its envelope.  Bottom
line,
in
> a certificated aircraft, loaded within its certification envelope,
raising
> the nose will not shift the CG far enough to make the plane unstable.
Carry
> this thought a little farther and you can see that if the CG is in that
> relative position (boy, I wish I had a white board...) the wing would
lift
> and the CG would fall until the plane rotates backward and the nose is
once
> again pointed down and the CG is once again "forward" of the center of
lift.
> Now, once again, after doing a bit of a tail slide, all is right with
the
> world.  Eventually, any plane will do that as long as the CG is in the
right
> place to start with.
>
> Clear?  (Yeah, right!)
>
> John
>
>
>

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