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thanks everyone for the info. on the tail low issue! special thanks to ed burkhead for his cogent reply! he is a real treasure to this group. his articles on ercoupes in the archives are some of the best around for any type of aircraft!!! AND HAPPY COUPE NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!! JOHN JAMESON john jameson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:00 AM Subject: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > Message list: > > 1. [COUPERS-FLYIN] TODAY > 2. [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > 3. [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: Replying > 4. [COUPERS-FLYIN] Xmas Coupe > 5. RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > 6. [COUPERS-FLYIN] Taxes > 7. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] FUEL CATCH 22.doc > 8. RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > 9. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] This is how our tax system works!! > 10. Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > Messages: > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ercoupes" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] TODAY > > SEASONS GREETINGS TO ALL ERCOUPERS > DAVE VERNON > > > ---------------------------- > From: "John Jameson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "John Jameson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > merry ERCOUPE xmas everyone!!!! > > my question is that a 415c coupe i am flying has a little bit of a low > tail (63 inches). i haven't got around to putting spacers in to raise the > tail. it flies and lands great. the "squirrley" landing characteristics of > a low tail are supposed to be on crosswind landings. > > can someone describe what i might be in for in a crosswind landing with this > low tail?.... thanks jm jameson? > > > ---------------------------- > From: "R M Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "R M Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] RE: Replying > > Speaking of REPLYING; when you're fixing the reply addresses, as Tom wisely > suggests, check the quoted message too. If you reply from either of the > Digests, you get the entire Digest! Please trim it (heavily) to just the > message you want. > > From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "flyin" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Mason Videos > > This occures because people use REPLY ALL and don't change the addresses on > the message. > > If the original message was like your last one: > > From: Jim Phelps > To: MAGIC VAC ; Joe Czaplicki ; flyin > > And someone hits REPLY ALL, it will send it to Jim Phelps, MAGIC VAC, Joe > Czaplicki, and [email protected], which sends it to everyone again from a > completely different route. > > If you change the reply address to be just the [email protected], then > everyone will receive it. > > -Tom > > > ---------------------------- > From: Greg Bullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ercoupes" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: Greg Bullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Xmas Coupe > > As I stood out on the street in Ventura, CA at 10AM this > Christmas morning, waiting for a ride up to some > friends in Ojai, I heard an engine. An Ercoupe appeared, > circled the area four or five times, and headed up towards > the Ventura Avenue and Ojai. > > Hmmm... > > Greg > > > ---------------------------- > From: Pete Thomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'John Jameson ' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'Ercoupe Hangar Flying ' <[email protected]> > Reply-To: Pete Thomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > > Merry Christmas to you too John. I never had any trouble landing with the > tail low issue, it was the takeoffs that were interesting. I don't believe > your landing will be affected as you are still supported by the wings, not > the gear, Alaska Pete > -----Original Message----- > From: John Jameson > To: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > Sent: 12/25/02 5:45 AM > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > any advice in this forum.]---- > > > merry ERCOUPE xmas everyone!!!! > > my question is that a 415c coupe i am flying has a little bit of a low > tail (63 inches). i haven't got around to putting spacers in to raise > the > tail. it flies and lands great. the "squirrley" landing > characteristics of > a low tail are supposed to be on crosswind landings. > > can someone describe what i might be in for in a crosswind landing with > this > low tail?.... thanks jm jameson? > > ======================================================================== > ====== > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > > ---------------------------- > From: "R M Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "R M Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Taxes > > Diner Cost Cost Savings > Before After > 1st $0 $0 $0 > 2nd $0 $0 $0 > 3rd $0 $0 $0 > 4th $0 $0 $0 > 5th $1 $0 $1 > 6th $3 $2 $1 > 7th $7 $5 $2 > 8th $12 $9 $3 > 9th $18 $12 $6 > 10th $59 $52 $7 > > A cute story. I lined things up above so it's easier to see the > before-and-after. > > Now let's continue the story. > > The restaurant owner is getting $20 less for this group so now has to cut > back. He removes the good silverware and linen and doesn't replace it; > "bring your own from home." Portions are reduced. The efficient waitress > gets a wage freeze and, unhappy with that plus the fact she gets less in the > tip, quits to work for a better place. She is replaced with an indifferent > person who is slow, rude, and mixes up the orders. > > Now the diners are really pissed. The people who didn't pay anything before > have to bring their own knives, forks, spoons, and napkins, an additional > cost. Too damn bad, the others mutter, they were freeloading before anyway. > But even the rich people are unhappy with the lousy service and reduced > amounts. They quit the group and head for another restaurant themselves > along with half the other patrons. The owner is unhappy because he can't > make the mortgage payment anymore and is running up a huge debt that he > decides to let his children pay. He is still has the lousy waitress to deal > with. He can't fire her so tries contracting out, with disastrous results: > he gets horrid service at twice the expense, though he notices that the > owners of the contracting service are all driving Mercedes and flying > Bonanzas while he can barely afford his little Aircoupe. > > And that, fellow readers, is the "rest of the story." > > > ---------------------------- > From: Bob Saville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Greg Bullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Bob Saville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] FUEL CATCH 22.doc > > Isn't that about dinner time at Gracies house? > > Greg Bullough wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > At 03:00 PM 12/23/02 -0600, Ed Burkhead wrote: > > >Sometimes you actually NEED to go as far as the Coupe's range. For example, > > >I flew from Iowa City to Chester, Connecticut, in one day, arriving about > > >5-6 p.m. > > > > Some people will do anything to get Leslie to buy them a drink. > > > > Greg > > > > ========================================================================== == == > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > ---------------------------- > From: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "John Jameson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Coupe-List" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > > From the http://www.ercoupe/org FAQ article: > Question: I rode in a Coupe on a crosswind landing and the up-wind wing > lifted so high I though we'd flip! > A few people have ridden in a Coupe which, during this yaw motion, lifted > the up-wind wing quite a ways -- and that ride is scary. Ten or twenty years > ago, the majority of Coupes were sitting on their landing gear with the > tails drooping low. Some of this was caused by aging and compressed rubber > donuts in the gear (or by old Belleville springs). On many planes, this was > worsened by replacing the original nose gear single-fork with a later > designed (and slightly longer) double-fork. > > We didn't think much of it, at first. But it was realized that this > on-the-ground position gives the wings more angle of attack that was > designed into the plane. Bill Coons of Lombard, Ill., went to an FAA > engineer in Chicago and got shims approved for the landing gear and he > passed the technique around the club. Added into the shock absorber stack, > the shims return the on-the-ground attitude of the Coupe to the designed > angle of attack in spite of compressed rubber gear donuts, aging springs, or > a longer nose gear fork. Subsequently much of the fleet has gotten > maintenance and/or shims as needed to raise the tails on the ground to the > designed 75 inches and no-lift angle of attack. > > With the tail at the right height, the Coupe's crosswind landing behavior is > the best in the industry, bar none. > > Question: How high a X-wind can a coupe handle? > Like most planes, pilots report having landed in crosswinds much higher than > the demonstrated crosswind component. Some Coupe pilots say they don't think > twice about 30 kt. direct crosswind component, others claim to have done > even higher crosswinds. In practice, many Coupe owners are comfortable > flying in crosswinds that keep them on the ground if they were flying most > other light planes. Smart pilots first work their way up to the demonstrated > croswind component listed in their owners manual. First they get fully > competent at that level, and only then experiment as their own skill and > equipment allow. Be sure your tail is at or very near regulation height of > 75 inches for good crosswind behavior (see detailed discussion below). > > Ed Burkhead > http://edburkhead.com/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Jameson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:46 AM > To: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > merry ERCOUPE xmas everyone!!!! > > my question is that a 415c coupe i am flying has a little bit of a low > tail (63 inches). i haven't got around to putting spacers in to raise the > tail. it flies and lands great. the "squirrley" landing characteristics of > a low tail are supposed to be on crosswind landings. > > can someone describe what i might be in for in a crosswind landing with this > low tail?.... thanks jm jameson? > > ========================================================================== == > == > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > > > ---------------------------- > From: Percy Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Kenneth Neill Carnahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> > Reply-To: Percy Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] This is how our tax system works!! > > At 09:01 PM 12/24/02 -0600, Kenneth Neill Carnahan wrote: > > > > >Not anything to do with aircraft or flying but very apropos since tax > >season is coming up very soon. > > > > > > > >Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. > > Not that they do, Ken and Ed. > What everybody fails to grasp is that the richer > should pay more because they have more to loose > if/when the society that validates their wealth goes > to blazes. > Percy in (no sales tax) Portland > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02 > > > ---------------------------- > From: "Agent32" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ed Burkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "John Jameson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Coupe-List" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "Agent32" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > My book says 25mph crosswind. I've don 25 to 30,N3619H > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Burkhead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: John Jameson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Coupe-List <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:13 PM > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > > >----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > >>From the http://www.ercoupe/org FAQ article: > >Question: I rode in a Coupe on a crosswind landing and the up-wind wing > >lifted so high I though we'd flip! > >A few people have ridden in a Coupe which, during this yaw motion, lifted > >the up-wind wing quite a ways -- and that ride is scary. Ten or twenty > years > >ago, the majority of Coupes were sitting on their landing gear with the > >tails drooping low. Some of this was caused by aging and compressed rubber > >donuts in the gear (or by old Belleville springs). On many planes, this was > >worsened by replacing the original nose gear single-fork with a later > >designed (and slightly longer) double-fork. > > > >We didn't think much of it, at first. But it was realized that this > >on-the-ground position gives the wings more angle of attack that was > >designed into the plane. Bill Coons of Lombard, Ill., went to an FAA > >engineer in Chicago and got shims approved for the landing gear and he > >passed the technique around the club. Added into the shock absorber stack, > >the shims return the on-the-ground attitude of the Coupe to the designed > >angle of attack in spite of compressed rubber gear donuts, aging springs, > or > >a longer nose gear fork. Subsequently much of the fleet has gotten > >maintenance and/or shims as needed to raise the tails on the ground to the > >designed 75 inches and no-lift angle of attack. > > > >With the tail at the right height, the Coupe's crosswind landing behavior > is > >the best in the industry, bar none. > > > >Question: How high a X-wind can a coupe handle? > >Like most planes, pilots report having landed in crosswinds much higher > than > >the demonstrated crosswind component. Some Coupe pilots say they don't > think > >twice about 30 kt. direct crosswind component, others claim to have done > >even higher crosswinds. In practice, many Coupe owners are comfortable > >flying in crosswinds that keep them on the ground if they were flying most > >other light planes. Smart pilots first work their way up to the > demonstrated > >croswind component listed in their owners manual. First they get fully > >competent at that level, and only then experiment as their own skill and > >equipment allow. Be sure your tail is at or very near regulation height of > >75 inches for good crosswind behavior (see detailed discussion below). > > > >Ed Burkhead > >http://edburkhead.com/ > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: John Jameson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:46 AM > >To: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > >Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Re: Digest list: Ercoupe Hangar Flying > > > >----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > >advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > >merry ERCOUPE xmas everyone!!!! > > > > my question is that a 415c coupe i am flying has a little bit of a low > >tail (63 inches). i haven't got around to putting spacers in to raise the > >tail. it flies and lands great. the "squirrley" landing characteristics > of > >a low tail are supposed to be on crosswind landings. > > > >can someone describe what i might be in for in a crosswind landing with > this > >low tail?.... thanks jm jameson? > > > >========================================================================= == > = > >== > >To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > > > > > > >========================================================================= == > === > >To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > ========================================================================== == == > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > ========================================================================== ==== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
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