Zack/(Doc): My comment was not meant to be critical of anyone here
(including yourself). The thrust of my commentary was the apparent
recalcitrance of Google to address the problem.
BTW, I will be glad to make an "official request" to Google if you or
someone else would direct me to the most effective way to do so.
However, having done this in the past with at least one "official
suggestion" for Youtube sign-ins, no response was ever forthcoming from
Google and I doubt any would occur in this suggested effort. From what
I see, Google pretty much does whatever it wants to do with little
influence from its users. In other words, the attitude seems to be
"Google knows best."
What might make more sense than some of us sending to Google unorganized
ad hoc suggestions to this problem (which seems to be ongoing for years
now and is both unsolved by users here (who do try to help) and by
Google (which seems to be unwillingly to address the issue) might be to
initiate a petition here of users who do feel this is a serious issue
that needs to be addressed and submit that petition to Google. Maybe
someone more talented than myself could start such a petition drive by
creating a Youtube video that might go viral. Maybe then, and only then,
Google might pay attention.
Until that happens, many of us will continue to use IMAP-configured
third-party email programs such as Mozilla Thunderbird for sending email
and simply avoid Gmail's web-based email facility. If that's what they
want, that's what they will get.
It's a sad commentary on a company that in general has done so much good.
Thank you for your response.
On 5/23/2013 7:08 AM, Zack (Doc) wrote:
Turning off conversation view has been an option for a long time now,
and it is the result of Google listening to peoples suggestions (call
them complaints if you like, I prefer to work with people, not against
them), and is proof the Google does listen to it's users. However,
those suggestions need to be made through the right place, the
official suggestion page, not postings in a user's group that has
never been an official source for company solved problems. As a
user's group, we're just fellow users like yourself, offering
suggestions and help for situations you propose (and general
discussion if that is what you wish).
If you don't want suggestions from fellow users, then you are free to
unsubscribe. If you don't like a particular poster's methods or
attitude, you are free to ignore them, or if it's bad enough, contact
the list owner at the link provided on the group's web page.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Frank St. Claire
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Every reply (most of which seem to come from "Zac") dance around
the problem, which is pretty simple:
*1. You want to have a copy of each email you send sent to
yourself as if you had manually listed yourself as a bcc recipient
-- which is gets very old to do manually after you've done it for
awhile.*
2. While almost every email service (e.g., Mozilla Thunderbird
with IMAP settings) provides such an option, Gmail apparently does
not -- despite years of everyone's pleas.
3. *You don't want to use conversation mode* -- which some find
distracting AND
4. *You don't want to have to search your "sent" folder for a copy
of your own email sent to others* (see item 1 above).
and for clarification, this question is NOT:
1. related to CRM (I don't care whatever that is and don't want to
know) or
2. a philosophical issue.
and finally:
1. Does Google listen to their users or has it turned a deaf ear
to a legitimate multi-year request?
2. BTW, we accepted Google's limitation of two levels of "nesting"
of mail folders with its multiple "labels" -- which is probably
due to a limit in Gmail's design architecture, but
3. If this current issue (i.e., *see item 1 in the first
paragraph* if you forgot to read it there or didn't fully
comprehend the simple scope of this query) is a design issue
here, either:
a. fix it or
b. "cowboy-up" to the problem -- instead of using what appear
to be stalking horse apologists in this user group to qualm the
incessantly beating drums of discontent from some of your most
ardent supporters over this simple question.
Thanks in advance to anyone who has the courage and intelligence
to address this issue directly as presented above (i.e., *see item
1 in the first paragraph* above if you have not done so by now)
without any of the tangential responses evidenced by this
multi-year thread to date.
On 5/22/2013 2:25 AM, Jeremy Nicholls wrote:
Can it really be true? I was looking for how to auto-BCC outgoing
emails from Gmail, but it never occurred to me that this feature
might not be available. Bizarre. Maybe there is some commercial
reason why Google don't want me to be able to sync easily to our
CRM systems - maybe they would prefer me to pay for a Google CRM
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