Frank, you mention the word 'problem' a lot. Consider that just because you deem a feature to be necessary does not somehow make it a problem for the rest of us.
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Frank St. Claire <fstcla...@gmail.com>wrote: > Zack/(Doc): My comment was not meant to be critical of anyone here > (including yourself). The thrust of my commentary was the apparent > recalcitrance of Google to address the problem. > > BTW, I will be glad to make an "official request" to Google if you or > someone else would direct me to the most effective way to do so. However, > having done this in the past with at least one "official suggestion" for > Youtube sign-ins, no response was ever forthcoming from Google and I doubt > any would occur in this suggested effort. From what I see, Google pretty > much does whatever it wants to do with little influence from its users. In > other words, the attitude seems to be "Google knows best." > > What might make more sense than some of us sending to Google unorganized > ad hoc suggestions to this problem (which seems to be ongoing for years now > and is both unsolved by users here (who do try to help) and by Google > (which seems to be unwillingly to address the issue) might be to initiate a > petition here of users who do feel this is a serious issue that needs to be > addressed and submit that petition to Google. Maybe someone more talented > than myself could start such a petition drive by creating a Youtube video > that might go viral. Maybe then, and only then, Google might pay attention. > > Until that happens, many of us will continue to use IMAP-configured > third-party email programs such as Mozilla Thunderbird for sending email > and simply avoid Gmail's web-based email facility. If that's what they > want, that's what they will get. > > It's a sad commentary on a company that in general has done so much good. > > Thank you for your response. > > > > > On 5/23/2013 7:08 AM, Zack (Doc) wrote: > > Turning off conversation view has been an option for a long time now, and > it is the result of Google listening to peoples suggestions (call them > complaints if you like, I prefer to work with people, not against them), > and is proof the Google does listen to it's users. However, those > suggestions need to be made through the right place, the official > suggestion page, not postings in a user's group that has never been an > official source for company solved problems. As a user's group, we're just > fellow users like yourself, offering suggestions and help for situations > you propose (and general discussion if that is what you wish). > > If you don't want suggestions from fellow users, then you are free to > unsubscribe. If you don't like a particular poster's methods or attitude, > you are free to ignore them, or if it's bad enough, contact the list owner > at the link provided on the group's web page. > > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Frank St. Claire <fstcla...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Every reply (most of which seem to come from "Zac") dance around the >> problem, which is pretty simple: >> >> *1. You want to have a copy of each email you send sent to yourself as >> if you had manually listed yourself as a bcc recipient -- which is gets >> very old to do manually after you've done it for awhile.* >> 2. While almost every email service (e.g., Mozilla Thunderbird with IMAP >> settings) provides such an option, Gmail apparently does not -- despite >> years of everyone's pleas. >> 3. *You don't want to use conversation mode* -- which some find >> distracting AND >> 4. *You don't want to have to search your "sent" folder for a copy of >> your own email sent to others* (see item 1 above). >> >> and for clarification, this question is NOT: >> >> 1. related to CRM (I don't care whatever that is and don't want to know) >> or >> 2. a philosophical issue. >> >> and finally: >> >> 1. Does Google listen to their users or has it turned a deaf ear to a >> legitimate multi-year request? >> 2. BTW, we accepted Google's limitation of two levels of "nesting" of >> mail folders with its multiple "labels" -- which is probably due to a limit >> in Gmail's design architecture, but >> 3. If this current issue (i.e., *see item 1 in the first paragraph* if >> you forgot to read it there or didn't fully comprehend the simple scope of >> this query) is a design issue here, either: >> a. fix it or >> b. "cowboy-up" to the problem -- instead of using what appear to be >> stalking horse apologists in this user group to qualm the incessantly >> beating drums of discontent from some of your most ardent supporters over >> this simple question. >> >> Thanks in advance to anyone who has the courage and intelligence to >> address this issue directly as presented above (i.e., *see item 1 in the >> first paragraph* above if you have not done so by now) without any of >> the tangential responses evidenced by this multi-year thread to date. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5/22/2013 2:25 AM, Jeremy Nicholls wrote: >> >> Can it really be true? I was looking for how to auto-BCC outgoing emails >> from Gmail, but it never occurred to me that this feature might not be >> available. Bizarre. 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