Marko,
Please see my most recent reply to Zack's reply to Geoff if you fail to
understand the concern of some of us.
Also, just because an issue is not a problem for you and some others
does not mean it is not a problem for many of us.
I am sure you have your own "problems" as evidenced by your reply, on
which I will not elaborate further. This is not a group that is aimed at
ad hominem attacks.
Good day.
On 5/25/2013 1:50 PM, Marko Vukovic wrote:
Frank, you mention the word 'problem' a lot. Consider that just
because you deem a feature to be necessary does not somehow make it a
problem for the rest of us.
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Frank St. Claire <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Zack/(Doc): My comment was not meant to be critical of anyone here
(including yourself). The thrust of my commentary was the apparent
recalcitrance of Google to address the problem.
BTW, I will be glad to make an "official request" to Google if you
or someone else would direct me to the most effective way to do
so. However, having done this in the past with at least one
"official suggestion" for Youtube sign-ins, no response was ever
forthcoming from Google and I doubt any would occur in this
suggested effort. From what I see, Google pretty much does
whatever it wants to do with little influence from its users. In
other words, the attitude seems to be "Google knows best."
What might make more sense than some of us sending to Google
unorganized ad hoc suggestions to this problem (which seems to be
ongoing for years now and is both unsolved by users here (who do
try to help) and by Google (which seems to be unwillingly to
address the issue) might be to initiate a petition here of users
who do feel this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed and
submit that petition to Google. Maybe someone more talented than
myself could start such a petition drive by creating a Youtube
video that might go viral. Maybe then, and only then, Google might
pay attention.
Until that happens, many of us will continue to use
IMAP-configured third-party email programs such as Mozilla
Thunderbird for sending email and simply avoid Gmail's web-based
email facility. If that's what they want, that's what they will get.
It's a sad commentary on a company that in general has done so
much good.
Thank you for your response.
On 5/23/2013 7:08 AM, Zack (Doc) wrote:
Turning off conversation view has been an option for a long time
now, and it is the result of Google listening to peoples
suggestions (call them complaints if you like, I prefer to work
with people, not against them), and is proof the Google does
listen to it's users. However, those suggestions need to be made
through the right place, the official suggestion page, not
postings in a user's group that has never been an official source
for company solved problems. As a user's group, we're just
fellow users like yourself, offering suggestions and help for
situations you propose (and general discussion if that is what
you wish).
If you don't want suggestions from fellow users, then you are
free to unsubscribe. If you don't like a particular poster's
methods or attitude, you are free to ignore them, or if it's bad
enough, contact the list owner at the link provided on the
group's web page.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Frank St. Claire
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Every reply (most of which seem to come from "Zac") dance
around the problem, which is pretty simple:
*1. You want to have a copy of each email you send sent to
yourself as if you had manually listed yourself as a bcc
recipient -- which is gets very old to do manually after
you've done it for awhile.*
2. While almost every email service (e.g., Mozilla
Thunderbird with IMAP settings) provides such an option,
Gmail apparently does not -- despite years of everyone's pleas.
3. *You don't want to use conversation mode* -- which some
find distracting AND
4. *You don't want to have to search your "sent" folder for a
copy of your own email sent to others* (see item 1 above).
and for clarification, this question is NOT:
1. related to CRM (I don't care whatever that is and don't
want to know) or
2. a philosophical issue.
and finally:
1. Does Google listen to their users or has it turned a deaf
ear to a legitimate multi-year request?
2. BTW, we accepted Google's limitation of two levels of
"nesting" of mail folders with its multiple "labels" -- which
is probably due to a limit in Gmail's design architecture, but
3. If this current issue (i.e., *see item 1 in the first
paragraph* if you forgot to read it there or didn't fully
comprehend the simple scope of this query) is a design issue
here, either:
a. fix it or
b. "cowboy-up" to the problem -- instead of using what
appear to be stalking horse apologists in this user group to
qualm the incessantly beating drums of discontent from some
of your most ardent supporters over this simple question.
Thanks in advance to anyone who has the courage and
intelligence to address this issue directly as presented
above (i.e., *see item 1 in the first paragraph* above if you
have not done so by now) without any of the tangential
responses evidenced by this multi-year thread to date.
On 5/22/2013 2:25 AM, Jeremy Nicholls wrote:
Can it really be true? I was looking for how to auto-BCC
outgoing emails from Gmail, but it never occurred to me that
this feature might not be available. Bizarre. Maybe there is
some commercial reason why Google don't want me to be able
to sync easily to our CRM systems - maybe they would prefer
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