Tony Lambiris wrote:
>
> Benjamin Scott wrote:
>
>
> I can't understand why people hate Debian's installer so much. It's very
> straight-forward, and as long as you know a little about your system (at least the
> module you use for your ethernet device), Debian will install no problem. What do
> you mean they have to play catch up? Their installer works, so what do they need
> to catch up?
Debian isn't the most user-friendly to use or set up. I went through the
process of "upgrading" from potato to woody this weekend. It took
somewhere
around 4 hours of downloading, complaining about pre-depends, and blowing
away about
1/2 of my system before it was done. And I'd like to think I know a bit
about Linux.
Installation before ISOs were available was a PAIN(!) to do. I tried
Debian last
October and went back to RH 7.0 - even with the problems, it was easier to
install
and use RH than Debian.
Don't get me wrong - Debian is very nice and has some real advantages over
Red Hat. But there's no way that Debian can become more popular than Red
Hat while
it has these core anti-newbie issues. Red Hat has spent a lot of time
making
apps for new users - take printtool, or netcfg. AFAIK, Debian has neither.
> > I find RPM seems to make the process of simply installing a bunch of
> > packages easier than dpkg. dpkg got itself tied into knots W.R.T. dependency
> > ordering on large installs when I tried Debian 2.2.
>
> I don't know what you mean here. It's so obnoxious when you install an RPM, to
> have it tell you it has missing dependencies (like libcrypto.so) or such, where as
> apt-get will show you the dependencies you need, download them for you, and
> install them, if you wish.
...assuming you're using the right "version" of Debian. Most packages
require you
to use "unstable". RPMs at least are a bit more neutral WRT this, plus the
fact
that RPMs can be PGP signed, and you can quickly check a system using rpm
-Va
I'd like to see a packaging system with the ease-of-use and functionality
of
RPM with the networkability (is that a word?) of .deb. Doesn't sound like
up2date does it.
-Mark
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