> "Thomas M. Albright" wrote:
>>
>> OK, so the sysadmin should be held accountable because his system was
>> cracked? So if you leave my car unlocked for a minute, and someone
>> steals it, oh well, it's your own fault?
depends where you leave it. In charlestown, i leave my car unlocked all
the time (except at night). In new York or Boston I locked it and then
checked on it every hour, and i made sure that all valuables were taken out
and that it was parked in a well lit area ,etc.....
>
> There are two ways of looking at this. The cracker is a criminal, pure
> and simple. The admin being stupid does not absolve the cracker from
> their crimes. The admin isn't a criminal. On the other hand, a company
> would be justified in taking action against an admin. The admin did not
> do their job, and therefore, they should be shot on sight ;-)
agreed. they should be shot.....and just because the admin didn't do his
job the company that the admin works for is out for blood to get this guy
that wrote the worm. dosen't anyone remember robert tappan morris? you'd
think that in 20 years of computers moving into the mainstream that we'd be
a bit more prepared for this stuff.
>
>> Get serious. If you leave a program with a known hole for an extended
>> time, you're being stupid, but that doesn't mean you should be held at
>> fault for being cracked.
if its a known hole in the softare then it is your fault. you didn't
upgrade or patch....why not? its not like this was found one night and
then the worm came out the next. there was pleanty of time to
upgrade....people just don't. even linus said that people aren't upgrading
software as much as they should be nowadays. :-)
>
> Why not? It *IS* their fault. If they didn't patch the hole, they they
> are guilty of negligence. Legally, it isn't your fault, but as far as
> the comapny is concerned, it is. They were supposed to protect the
> network, and they didn't.
>
>> Just because I leave my house unlocked, doesn't mean you can
>> have my TV set.
>
> Ah, the perfect analogy. If you leave your door open, and I take your
> TV, I can be charged with theft, but not breaking and entering. Also,
> if you go out, and you are the last one out the door, and you leave it
> open, then someone steals your TV, who is your *WIFE* going to blame??
> She's going to yell at you for leaving the door open.
but who left the front door open? you did? why? I'm not saying its ok to
take your TV...but if it does dissapear whose fault is it? yours. I
believe that people are directley responsible for thier actions. I'm not
saying that because people are stupid it dosen't meant that criminals
aren't criminals. they are. however the punishment is wayyy too stiff for
a action could of been prevented by patching and recompiling something.
and yes..i agree MS should be held directly accountable for cracks and
other flaws due bad programming.
>
> C-Ya,
> Kenny
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